Castles of Steel, 1880 - 1914 *Group Build* (pg 17)...

Guess I should stick to aircraft, i was looking at the Chen Yuen, not the Chih Yuen..........................

German built Chinese sister ship to the German built Chinese ship described as the most potent naval vessel of the time. Captured & by the Japanese & used against the Russians...............

Not, not!

It's an incredibly interesting subject because this particular model is just one branch of a much bigger story. I'm not one for repeating facts that are online, but she was an "Elswick" cruiser built by Armstrong Whitworth as an export ship, one of many sold to a lot of different countries. in the 1890's early 1900's.

It's the earliest dated plastic model of a pre dreadnaught that I'm aware of, accurate too. Along with Hase's Mikasa and the Zvezda Borodinos, a gem.

Because no two ships in a "class" were alike in that era, there's always a little tweaking involved but this model could be the basis of a lot of countries ships, including the USS New Orleans.

RE:Interesting subject...or not?

Yes.

Here's why:

1) 1890's warship, enough said

2) Sank in the Battle of the Yalu River in 1894 while trying to ram a Japanese cruiser

3) Great quote from the post-battle report: "the braves were too rash, while the cowards were too cowardly"

If you are interested in the topic, I recommend the following book - a bit try in writing style, but chock of information.  

The Chinese Steam Navy 1862-1945, Richard N. J. Wright

Manstein's revenge is more interested in long pointless threads. My

mfsob

Manstein's revenge is more interested in long pointless threads. My

I think its kinda neat looking..

Psst.. Fellas.. place nice. or the Judge will come with his big stick...

p38jl

Psst.. Fellas.. place nice. or the Judge will come with his big stick...

NOT

Quite right, p38jl. I chalk it up to too much back to the grind hoo-ha at work after a nice long weekend off.

 It would have been better to say, "Manstein's revenge is more interested in long threads. My " and let his numbers speak for themselves.

mfsob

Quite right, p38jl. I chalk it up to too much back to the grind hoo-ha at work after a nice long weekend off.

 It would have been better to say, "Manstein's revenge is more interested in long threads. My " and let his numbers speak for themselves.

i have 2 of these. will build one in 1880s and one in 1890s. also have a CHEN YUEN withTING YUEN on order. can do the same with these two ships. it is also a diffferent colour scheme though all the ships were medium gray at the battle of the yalu river.

the chinese have built a 1-1 repkica of TING YUEN at Wei Hai. http://hksw.org/Ting%20Yuen.htm

I like it.I'm happy to see anything off the beaten path put into production.

bondoman

It's the earliest dated plastic model of a pre dreadnaught that I'm aware of, accurate too. Along with Hase's Mikasa and the Zvezda Borodinos, a gem.

Don't forget Zvezda's Varyag and Revell's SMS Emden

Tracy White

 

bondoman:

It's the earliest dated plastic model of a pre dreadnaught that I'm aware of, accurate too. Along with Hase's Mikasa and the Zvezda Borodinos, a gem.

 

Don't forget Zvezda's Varyag and Revell's SMS Emden

And the Varyag is a lovely model, I would like to build her. Thanks, Tracy.

But that wraps it up, I think and there may be a few more. There's of course the Glencoe and Pyro stuff as well, but 1/350 is the theme here.

There's been some discussion here relating to various "Yuen" ships., where language translation becomes difficult. There are four models available AFAIK, the Chih 致遠, the Ching 靖遠 ,the Ting  定远 and the Chen 鎮遠. These were all counties in China.

The first two were single stack cruisers built by Armstrong Whitworth at the Elswick yard and are the same as Manstein's kit.

The latter two were twin stack cruisers built by Stettiner Vulcan in Stettin Germany and are also sold by Bronco.

The USS New Orleans belongs to the latter two. If anyone makes the effort to do a little research, there are at least two dozen ships that are derivatives of these hulls.

I've been really interested in the Spanish Navy because my great grandfather served in the US Army in the Philippines from 1905 to 1908. West Point 1903 with MacArthur. I think that there's potential in these Bronco kits for a few ships.

Very nice Bondo!

 I Like odd stuff to.. ships.. not so much.. but X planes, Y planes.. weird stuff.. I'm building a YF-1a Airacuda at the moment.. ( its a PITA )...

Interesting info Bondo!  Just to clarify, for the "Ting Yeun", the Chinese character you have is simplified Chinese, hence different fro the 3 ships which is in traditional Chinese. But it's the same word.

I'm impressed that a company would do such a nice job on a kit of a fairly obscure ship.

given the rise of the chinese middle class and the battle of the yalu river during the sino-japanese war of 1894-95 it may not be as obscure to millions of chinese modelers. we may be able to reap the rewards of a renewed interest in chinese history. they have built a 1-1 of TING YUEN and a 1/2 scale (200') representation of a treasure ship from the zheng he period of early 1400s.

a friend gave me a trumpeter 1/203? model of a representation of a treasure ship. the model is called chengho and has 9 masts.

Sorta reminds me of the USS Maine as well...

waynec

given the rise of the chinese middle class and the battle of the yalu river during the sino-japanese war of 1894-95 it may not be as obscure to millions of chinese modelers. we may be able to reap the rewards of a renewed interest in chinese history. they have built a 1-1 of TING YUEN and a 1/2 scale (200') representation of a treasure ship from the zheng he period of early 1400s.

a friend gave me a trumpeter 1/203? model of a representation of a treasure ship. the model is called chengho and has 9 masts.

Several years ago PBS broadcast a documentary  1421: Year China Discovered America?

which covers, I believe, the very ships of the type portrayed by the treasure ship model you were given.

The CGI  fleet presented on screen was very impressive and I can't help contemplate the possibility that China ,rather than Britain, would have ruled the waves if Imperial China had not turned its back on world exploration.

I saw that documentary and read the book by Mr. Gavin.  While interesting, the actual facts presented was sketchy at best regarding the Chinese fleet sailing beyond the tip of Africa.  I found many of the hypothesis presented lacking. In anycase, as you said, fascinating 'what -if' scenerios if the Ming dynasty had not recall the Admiral's fleet.  There are a few books out there that are much better in presenting the known facts regarding the voyages.  It was interesting to see pictures of African chiefains tombs using 15th century Chinese coins as decoration.

That would explain the blue porcelain I found in my backyard. pretty little vase, sold it at a garage sale.

I'd be interested to know if there's a possibility that these kits would be a starting point for a Spanish cruiser.

I'll look into that, and Manstein, sorry to 'jack the thread...NOT!

i have 1421 and WHEN CHINA RULED THE SEAS. interesting stuff. looking for sino-japanese war books. so far the most detailed account of the yalu is in THE CHINESE STEEL NAVY referenced earlier.

i have to finish up a bunch of models before i start anything new including MAS boat. ande then it's a debate between another big boat or 1/72 DORA.

bondoman

That would explain the blue porcelain I found in my backyard. pretty little vase, sold it at a garage sale.

I'd be interested to know if there's a possibility that these kits would be a starting point for a Spanish cruiser.

 

I'll look into that, and Manstein, sorry to 'jack the thread...NOT!

Just hoist a Spanish ensign on her, bondo, that alone will make her Spanish. 

Interesting information...might have to buy this MOJO now...BRONCO has put out some excellent arnour offerings so I suspect that the mouldings on this MOJO will be top rate...

Manny collecting a fleet?

We may soon be calling him Vice Admiral.......

Well, you know he and Doenitz were seen examining the Campbeltown. That's supposedly him on the bridge.

Curiously, they left for lunch at about 11.55 am.