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Konig is launched
Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:43 AM

 

Kit: ICM 350 Scale Konig

Additional Materials: WEM & Verlinden PE; BMK brass barrels; Builder's anchor chain; top masts and yards scratch built with brass

Paints: Tamiya, Vallejo, Gunze, Revell Germany

 

 

After two plus months I've decided that my rendition of ICM's 350 scale Konig is finis. This has been the largest and most complex model I've built and my second serious ship. It took me over two months to finish and I'm out of gas. I did learn a bit though.

 

No wish to knock other modeling genres but for me ships are the most challenging. There are times when my eye knows what it wants but the hand betrays it. There are many times that I don't know what I'm doing. Hopefully both these conditions will improve with experience but I know that I don't have the “eye” or the patience to be a good ship modeler. I'll settle for competent.

 

Because of the modular nature of ship building, I found that I did not always anticipate a problem before it happened and instead spent a lot of time fixing things afterward. I don't want to blame the coach, but maybe I did not chose the best large scale kit to tackle. As I understand it, Konig was ICM's first large scale offering went it came out in 2000. Panel lines were raised which, at least in airplane world, is the sign of a crude kit. Flash was all over and fit was uniformly poor. The part count of 500 wasn't bad – but nearly everything required attention which cost me a lot of time. I used a lot of Apoxie Sculpt (a product I much prefer to putty) far more often than I'd like. There was no question about the necessity of building brass masts as the plastic was soft and weak. That said driver error was always a factor.

 

I used the information from the “Imperial German Navy in World War I”, especially the article by Mr. Tanner for painting. I also used Gary Staff's “German Battleships 1914-1918 (2). When the two conflicted I used Tanner's data. Originally I followed some charts and used Tamiya XF-66 Light Grey for RAL 7000 and XF-20 Medium Grey for RAL 7001. The charts did agree that the only paints that fit the bill perfectly outside of WEM enamels were German Revell's Grey (RAL 7000) and Silk Grey (RAL 7001.) This brand is not available in the US but I wasn't happy with XF-20 so I bought some German Revell colors on eBay. Revell's RAL 7000 was a little lighter than the Tamiya but it wasn't worth repainting the entire hull. I did, however, repaint the superstructure with Revell RAL 7001 and that was worth the time. Excellent paints BTW – I think they hand brush as well as Vallejo - and I've since bought several.

 

I wanted to build my Konig as it appeared on the way back from very spirited operations in the Baltic in September – early October 1917. (Jutland was out. It was obvious from the start that project fatigue would be a factor and looking at WEM's torpedo net arrangement needed for Jutland had me running for cover. A wise move in retrospect. After Jutland the German Navy discarded torpedo nets.) After looking at scores of photos I decided to give Konig some serious weathering. I kept thinking of all of that coal (not to mention main guns which were used heavily in the Baltic) and the North Atlantic/Baltic. (Check the photo below of Konig class Kronprinz below.) I used Mr. Griffith's filter technique but added some streaking from armor land as well as some fading with pastels. I rather liked the deck which was done in four shades and enhanced with a Verithin black pencil which did wonders to the panel lines. I take full responsibility for the paint job – in this case it came out the way I wanted. No question that weathering would go better with a dio, but we'll take one step at a time.

 

PE is simply a mystery to duffers like yours truly. I found some of the embellishments almost comic – you could put on a PE seat inside the 88 guns mounted on deck. We're talking items the size of an infant gnat. The cranes and funnel covers were very worthwhile, although I think I could have scratch-built both. WEM railings and ladders are beautifully made but extremely easy to mangle at any step along the way. I had real trouble when putting a thumb down in the wrong place and smushing a good chunk of rail. I fixed what I could and even replaced a little. Due to a misunderstanding on WEM's rather vague instructions I ended up short some two railings. The only thing I had was some Verlinden generic 2 railings that I bought on sale. I'm sure WEM's products are superior, but the Verlinden stuff was thicker in every dimension, a snap to put on (you could bend the stuff with a pliers during construction – wouldn't want to try that with WEM ultra-fine) and nearly impervious to a misplaced thumb. And from three feet away, it's just as good. One bit of good news though. At the recommendation of someone on Phil Foley's site I got some Aleene's Tacky Glue to help set the railings. There is now a Super Tacky Allene's available at any craft store. The tack on this stuff is incredible. It was perfect for PE: if you could get just a dab of that stuff on, your railing would stay up. While it was up, I used some thinned Gator glue to slip along the length of the railings – occasionally used some CA – and the railing was on. Aleene's cures in several hours but begins to set quickly, so as soon as things were holding, I tried to remove as much as possible with a tooth pick. This stuff will help out in many a jam. Good as gold.

 

Rigging is likewise a mystery. Although I've found ship Meister Jim Baumann's sprue making methods a great aid in several kits, I just don't get how you can get the sprue to get sticky enough to grab using plastic cement. I found it either simply didn't work, or the plastic cement would melt it off the brass. (I think this would work nicely if you were gluing sprue to plastic, but brass has me stumped.) I did use some sprue in the aft. But if I had something to anchor the line to I had much better luck with Danville's 6/0 (70 denier) black waxed nylon fly tying thread. It's a lot thinner than 2lb mono filament but it's made to tie. Do a simple half-itch, draw the line taught and apply a mini-dab of thin CA. Nylon line does shrink under heat (as does mono) but it was straight enough that I didn't take any chances. Things didn't exactly work well, and a close exam would be worth a chuckle or three. But the rigging done at the end of the model was better than that done at the start. I'll take that as a good sign. And it looks okay from five feet.

 

 

Pics below.

 

Eric

 

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by gregbale on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:43 AM

Eric:

Congratulations on a fine effort, and thanks for the candid assessment of your trials and travails in completing the project. It looks like it was more than worth it. The weathering looks excellent to me, effective yet restrained and in-scale. The decks, particularly, look superb.

I've got one of these sitting in the pile mocking me, but I haven't yet had the onions to take it on, knowing what a long haul it will be to get it the way I want it. Your breakdown of your own effort should prove useful as well as inspiring.

Thanks for sharing it...and well done!

Greg

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:11 AM

EBergerud

 

http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae191/ebergerud/Photos/e2konig12.jpg

Congratulations Eric, Konig looks good from here. And Ditto, thanks for the breakdown of your building experience on this one.

On the bench: Airfix 1/72 Wildcat; Airfix 1/72 Vampire T11; Airfix 1/72 Fouga Magister

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Posted by sharkbait on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:40 AM

You must have got a haircut cause you're looking good from here!

Well done.

Cheers

Sharkbait

You have never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3!

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Posted by Dreadnought52 on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:57 AM

Excellent effort.  I have a suggestion on the rigging problem.  Next time try using EZ Line.  It is sold in model Railroad shops and was originally intended for telephone lines.  It is a very thin rubber like product that has a lot of flexibility.  It glues easily and holds well.  It comes in different colors too.   I find that when rigging my ten thumbs are always mashing into lines I've just glued and with other materials they break off or break off the part they are glued to.  With EZ Line the material flexes and then pops back into place without breaking.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 9:21 AM

Fantastic job! Very good on the weathering, it inspires me to get into that. The grays look really good. I really recommend you put together a nice base and mount it permanently to it. A cat disaster at this stage would be really tragic.

The deck looks excellent. Laser cut wood is NOT always better and your painting skills are first rate.

Whatcha going to build next? The Dreadnaught PE set is out from WEM...

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:46 PM

I always do a cycle: plane, armored vehicle and ship. Next is a 47D Razorback that I want to experiment on with an ultra fade painting technique for olive drab. Then DML's El Alamein Sherman II because I've never built any Western or desert armor. But shortly down the road (maybe next), will be Oregon for the pre-WWI Group Build. A real antique and I know there will be serious challenges and many an oath sworn. But at least it only has about 100 parts and the plastic may be thick, but it's sturdy. It's 225 scale: going to look into scratch building railings.

I like the looks of Dreadnought. It was an inherently simpler ship than Konig so the part count is about 300 and even though Zvezda and I have had issues in the past, I'd guess it will be a light year ahead of Konig. (Their Varyag looks very good to me.) I thought the chains and barrels were worth it, but I'm really going to see how far I can get with generic PE. Outside the railings and ladders there was nothing I really needed on WEMs Konig set once I decided to pass on torpedo nets.

As far as the base goes, I'm not sure. Frankly I don't have many places to put big ships. I doubt many people will see it unless I impose it on them. But I'll look at it.

Eric

 

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, October 28, 2011 1:24 AM

Sorry I didn't read your long intro, that's because I had to go straight to the pictures! Your Konig is smashing. In my Mannyisque way, I love your Konig and want to sink it with my 5th BB Squadron.

Just wish you could have gotten a few closeups.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, October 28, 2011 1:52 AM

Never happen, as if Oregon could ever beat Stanford this year.

Make sure the main guns are elevated the same. They were not independent.

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, October 28, 2011 4:56 AM

Sorry about the pics: the damn thing the done and I wanted it out of my life. Too many closeups and people would have noticed that I forgot the life savers.

As she sits now, all of the guns are properly aligned pointing straight ahead at low elevation. (It doesn't look bad from ten feet off - it is big. You can sort of see the rigging if there's daylight which is nice.)  More sloppiness on the pics. I did like the BMK barrels but I originally wanted to install a set made by a Brit company called RMB. The RMBs came with barrels and supports so there would have been no need to cut off the kit barrels, drill a hole and stick in the BMKs. That order disapered into the ether along with $50 worth of paint so BMK it was. Fortunately they all went pretty well, but the barrels did move up or down at the slightest touch: I ended up putting a little Future into the turret openings to help keep the guns in place. They'd still move but do not flop around easily. (Future is the best low tack cement I know of: very nice for airplane cockpits.) I assume you mean the turrets were set in tandemn. I have pictures of a Konig class BB in training with each turret pointing a different direction - . I know it was doctrine to fire all guns at the same target, but I don't think anyone would have wanted to rule out the possibility of firing at different targets. The gunnery technology of WWI was extraordinary in retrospect and all developed in a generation. BTW: I didn't install blast bags because they were pretty rare in the photos and not shown in Staff's diagrams

Eric

 

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, October 28, 2011 10:31 AM

bondoman

Never happen, as if Oregon could ever beat Stanford this year.

Make sure the main guns are elevated the same. They were not independent.

 

Never happen? We'll see. Wink

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, October 28, 2011 10:44 AM

Fantastic job! She looks every inch a king. Toast

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Spelunko Bob on Friday, October 28, 2011 11:44 PM

We're going to take a quack all over Stanford. Quack, Quack.

 

Current build: Heller's Pamir. Oooooh Yeeehhh. Stick out tongue

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:03 AM

We'll see. It will be a good game, and at home for us so I'm optimistic.

What I meant was the two rifles in the same turret. Because your kit is as you say fragile, hard to get to stay put and pictures are not forgiving.

I have found with replacement barrels that they are only worthwhile on a case by case basis. If the kit ones look decent I say keep them. If they look like Nemo's telescope, have to go. When I've used AM barrels I've usually filled the inside of the turret with styrene right up to behind the front, drilled a couple of holes and stuck them in. It's too risky to try to graft them onto the original mount.

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