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U-boat "scale size"
Posted by randypandy831 on Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:20 PM

Im an aircraft builder and been looking into building a u-boat recently. im not exactly sure on what size would be the best size. im not looking for to small or to large. what would be a nice scale? and kit would you recommend? 

thanks! 

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, July 15, 2012 1:12 PM

Revell makes a wonderful series of U-Boats at 1/144 scale. They cover the Type VII C, Type VII C/41, the Type VII D, the Type XXI, and several modern German U-Boats.  Other companies have added to this scale, Trumpeter providing two kits of Gato-class Fleet Boats and two Chinese versions of the Soviet Romeo class, as well as a Soviet Kilo and an American Seawolf. one of them with an experimental missile configuration fitted to both sides of the sail.  ICM has a nice Type XXIII.  I think I covered all the boats currently available in this nice scale, being more convenient than the 1/72 room-fillers and the 1/350 small scale boats.

The largest selection, though is in 1/350 scale, which covers submarines from WWI through today.

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Posted by randypandy831 on Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:25 PM

thanks warship! 1/114 looks to be the perfect scale for my shelf. the VII was a german u boat correct?

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Posted by ddp59 on Sunday, July 15, 2012 5:29 PM

yes.

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Posted by fermis on Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:36 PM

I'd recommend the Revell 1/144 U-boat VII....I wanna say it was in the 18-19 inch range. It was my first build in a LONG time that wasn't an airplane. OOB, would be a nice simple enough build....but I added PE and whatnot.

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/136520.aspx?sort=ASC&pi240=1

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Posted by TD4438 on Monday, July 16, 2012 3:54 AM

1/144 is the perfect scale for WWII subs and there are some nice kits readily available.

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, July 16, 2012 9:27 AM

The Type VII was the most numerous class of submarine ever constructed and was the mainstay of the German U-Boat offensive throughout WWII. It is a great place to begin U-Boat modelling!  As others have said, 1/144 is a great scale as well, being large enough to be impressive without being gaudy, and it can easily fit in most households. There are a reasonable number of kits available in that scale, although not as many as the far more numerous 1/350  submarine kits.  If you select 1/144, I believe that you wll enjoy it immensely!

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 6:04 AM

1/350 is pretty small,especially for a Type VII,but I like to keep my collection in the same scale.Its cool have that tiny sub next to a battleship or cruiser and to think of the fear they still generated.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:32 AM

There is another interesting option . . . 1/400.  Slightly smaller than 1/350, almost the entire range of German WWII U-Boats is covered by Mirage.  They cover the Type II in several variants, variants of the Types VII, IX, XIV, etc.  each boat may be small, but they are impressive, especially when detailed with aftermarket photoetch.

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:36 AM

Here's a shot of a Type IIB and a Type XXIII,both in 1/144 scale.

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Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:41 AM

TD,

Who makes those kits? I was unaware they existed. They look great!

Bill

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:27 PM

You forget that those are "Attack" Submarines and are generally smaller no matter the scale. But if any manufacturer decides to scale up the 1/350 scale Boomers (Nuclear Ballistic Missile submarines) to 1/144 scale you will seriously have to rethink where you would display those monsters.

warshipguy

Revell makes a wonderful series of U-Boats at 1/144 scale. They cover the Type VII C, Type VII C/41, the Type VII D, the Type XXI, and several modern German U-Boats.  Other companies have added to this scale, Trumpeter providing two kits of Gato-class Fleet Boats and two Chinese versions of the Soviet Romeo class, as well as a Soviet Kilo and an American Seawolf. one of them with an experimental missile configuration fitted to both sides of the sail.  ICM has a nice Type XXIII.  I think I covered all the boats currently available in this nice scale, being more convenient than the 1/72 room-fillers and the 1/350 small scale boats.

The largest selection, though is in 1/350 scale, which covers submarines from WWI through today.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:47 PM

The IIB is by ICM.Trumpeter makes two Type XXIII's,but I have no idea what the difference is,if any.I plan on picking up the second one this month.

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Posted by randypandy831 on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:53 PM

thanks anyone! 1/144 looks to be the perfect scale. and yea, i been eye balling the VII Type C.

after watching das boot, i had the urge to build a U boat.

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:07 PM

One of the Revell 1/144 kits comes with U-96 (Das Boot) markings.

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:11 PM

This is the U-96 kit.

www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:16 AM

Mike,

There is actually little difference between early boomers and later fast attacks in overall length, beam, and draft. For example, The SSBN 598 class measured 381 feet in length with a beam of 33 feet and a draft of 29 feet.  The SSBN 608 is 410 feet in length with a beam of 33 feet and a draft of 27 feet, whereas the SSN 688 measures 361x33x31 and the SSN 21 measures 353x40x36.  It is only with the USS Ohio class, Typhoon class, and Delta IV class the the size of the boomers take an appreciable jum in overall length, beam, and draft.

Also, don't forget the Oscar class SSGN.  In other words, at 1/144, modern boats, whether SSBN, SSN, or SSGN (with few exceptions) could be quite monstrous!

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Posted by randypandy831 on Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:24 PM

thanks everyone! i picked up a 1/125 U-99 for a good price today the LHS.  he didn't have any 1/144 VII.

does anyone now the color code for this boat? instructions call for some colors im not familiar with.

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:15 PM

LOL warshipguy You must not have seen the new Borei class kits in 1/350 scale from Hobbyboss or Zvezda.

All 3 subs pictured are 1/350 scale in size comparison.

now if that Borei was in 1/144 that would be over 2 feet in length and quite wide in diameter.

Now

warshipguy

Mike,

There is actually little difference between early boomers and later fast attacks in overall length, beam, and draft. For example, The SSBN 598 class measured 381 feet in length with a beam of 33 feet and a draft of 29 feet.  The SSBN 608 is 410 feet in length with a beam of 33 feet and a draft of 27 feet, whereas the SSN 688 measures 361x33x31 and the SSN 21 measures 353x40x36.  It is only with the USS Ohio class, Typhoon class, and Delta IV class the the size of the boomers take an appreciable jum in overall length, beam, and draft.

Also, don't forget the Oscar class SSGN.  In other words, at 1/144, modern boats, whether SSBN, SSN, or SSGN (with few exceptions) could be quite monstrous!

Bill

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Posted by randypandy831 on Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:21 PM

yea, he was giving me hints on the 1/72 VII/C.....way to large for tasting. would the 1/114 VII be smaller then the 1/125 u-99?

thanks!

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:51 PM
You mean 1/144 not 1/114 Randy?
1/144 would indeed be smaller than 1/125  but not really by much. Now if you were talking about 1/200 through 1/700 for the Type VII's then those would be definitely smaller. Now if you want a shelf friendly size for Type VII's then 1/350 and 1/700 is the way to go while 1/200 through 1/72 scale would be more likely mantleplace sitters for their size.
randypandy831

yea, he was giving me hints on the 1/72 VII/C.....way to large for tasting. would the 1/114 VII be smaller then the 1/125 u-99?

thanks!

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, July 20, 2012 6:57 AM

Mike,

LOL . . . Please notice that I did not mention the new Borei boats, the Ohio, the Typhoon, Oscar, and Vanguard!  My comparison was with the older boomers and newer attack boats.  When we open the discussion to include the more recent boomers, the comparison should be between them and WWI battleships.

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Posted by randypandy831 on Friday, July 20, 2012 2:06 PM

always get 1/144  mixed up.

anyone know the color code for the U-99?

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, July 20, 2012 2:48 PM

warshipguy

Mike,

LOL . . . Please notice that I did not mention the new Borei boats, the Ohio, the Typhoon, Oscar, and Vanguard!  My comparison was with the older boomers and newer attack boats.  When we open the discussion to include the more recent boomers, the comparison should be between them and WWI battleships.

Well Yeah seeing as the Borei is just about the same length as the USS Arizona. But of course the Borei are supposedly slightly larger than the Typhoon but the all Titanium Project 945 SSGN boats were supposedly the largest of them all.

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, July 20, 2012 5:20 PM

Mike,

I have yet to see anything about the Titanium Project 945 SSGN's.  I have vaguely heard about them, but have seen little in the way of data. I'll check them out.

Bill

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Posted by randypandy831 on Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:37 PM

who would you suggest for ral 7001?

also got a 1/144 VII/C on order.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:54 PM

randypandy831

always get 1/144  mixed up.

anyone know the color code for the U-99?

I think most U-Boats were painted useing the same colours, though some seem to have had different patterns. I used this article when decideing on what colours to get.

http://www.rokket.biz/modelsweb/rokket/u557/paint.shtml

I went for the White Ensign paints which are supposably matched to the correct colours. I went for the KM 01 and 05 which i plan on useing on both my U-99 kit and the 72nd kit.

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Posted by randypandy831 on Sunday, July 22, 2012 7:02 PM

looks good. thanks!

tamiya 1/48 P-47D $25 + shipping

tamiya 1/48 mosquito $20+ shipping

hobby boss 1/48 F-105G. wings and fuselage cut from sprue. $40+ shipping. 

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, July 23, 2012 7:47 AM

Mike,

Are you referring to the Titanium Project 945 Sierra Class SSN?  I can find nothing on a Titanium Project 945 SSGN.

Bill

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