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Long prop shafts
Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, August 3, 2012 8:49 AM

I am about to start on the Zvezda HMS Dreadnaught.  Like many ships of the era, she has long prop shafts that leave a gland/bearing on the hull proper, travel aways to a shaft hanger in front of rudders, with prop on other side of the hanger.

Was the actual prop shaft open to the water, or was there a tube enclosing the actual shaft? If a tube, was it painted same color as bottom?  Instructions say paint shaft (or tube) silver.  Very suspicious of any callout for silver, gold or brass color on any functional part of a warship.

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, August 3, 2012 2:31 PM

I am interested as well. I have come across quite a few references where the exposed shaft is in fact turning. But I've also come across quite a few where the shaft proper is in a tube., in which case it gets painted too. maybe the turning ones get painted, I can't think of any reason not to...

I remember quite a few years ago getting a tour of the engine room of a very large steam piston powered ship. There was a spare crankshaft and a spare prop shaft mounted against the hull, reason being that they would have had to cut a big hole in the hull to get new ones in or out.

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Posted by Pavlvs on Friday, August 3, 2012 3:21 PM

The shaft was spinning and exposed.  This was because to have the shaft in a tube was prohibitively expensive to construct and also because, since the shaft twisted somewhat against the load, it would flex and the surface of the metal would stretch and contract, especially when switching directions, and encasing it in a tube would invite a jam or some such thing and since the steel alloy was different from the ship's bottom hull (but not yet stainless in Dreadnought's day) and the fact that the shaft was lubricated at the stuffing box and at the support strut, and taking into account the stretching and contracting of the steel, it was rarely painted.  My father's first ship, a Sumner class destroyer had a similar configuration and a paint that would adhere properly to a highly polished piece of steel such as a prop shaft, under the twisting conditions was not yet known so paint was not typically applied and the fact that it was spinning, anything in the water would be unable to attach itself to it so that was not a problem to be addressed by anti-fouling paint.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, August 3, 2012 4:42 PM

I just had a conversation with a young man who is a friend of my daughter's. He's an engineer and oiler on the Jeremiah O'Brien.

That ship doesn't have an exposed shaft, although the one it has is 150 feet long!.

But he's familiar with the concept, and echoed all that P said. And that such shafts are made from non rusting metals..

His ship originally had ironwood seals, but they've been replaced with plastic.

I like this guy.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, August 4, 2012 9:37 AM

Thanks, guys. I guess I'll use one of my mixtures of Testors steel with black, maybe semi-gloss like their Black Chrome.  I'll buff it a bit to shine it a bit, but not a full gloss.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Tracy White on Saturday, August 4, 2012 12:05 PM

In USN Service at that time the shafts were painted. Can't speak authoritatively about the RN, but you wouldn't want a shaft to become unbalanced and that will happen on a ship that gets growth on the shaft.

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Posted by onyxman on Saturday, August 4, 2012 12:13 PM

I'd paint it the same as the bottom paint. I doubt a shaft spins fast enough to deter marine growth, and anyway, a ship of this period would spend the majority of its time at anchor.

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