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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 21, 2021 3:28 PM

love the workbench mate , I think I would have had a fit if that happened to me . your stash is awesome steve , would almost kill for it LOL . Confused

 

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, January 21, 2021 2:40 PM

It does help that I have a few models still to build! And here's a picture of my new workbench before I had set it up with all the stuff on top.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, January 21, 2021 2:30 PM

I refinished a huge drafting desk that I was given and now use as my workbench. I was putting my ship models on the shelves that I had added above it. As I was putting my last ship up on the top shelf, the bracket pulled away from the wall, even though I had screwed it into a stud and the shelf and models came crashing down on all the shelves and models below.

This is just an example of what ALL of my built ship models look like now.

I salvaged bits and pieces of them that I could and recycled the wreckage. I haven't had the heart to work on anything since then but restarted working on the schnellboot again yesterday to see if I can get my modleing m o j o back. Thanks for asking bud. 

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 21, 2021 2:18 PM

steve , what the hell happened ,Crying  I was also wondering why I haven't seen this build , when I looked at the date . I hope it was the only one , as you said all my models .

 

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Posted by docidle on Thursday, January 21, 2021 1:59 PM

I'm sorry to report that I lost all my ship models to an accident. Since this was my first WIP post on FSM, I thought a final burial was in order. A great big thank you for everyone who contributed their input. It was grewatly appreciated.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:17 PM

Gentlemen,

Thanks for all the input.  I always learn from what others say which is why I appreciate greatly any and all comments, input, criticisms, etc...  especially from you all.  I've seen pictures of your builds and hope that I can someday produce as fine a model.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:01 PM

It isn't hard, after all I can do it. The trick is that the file has to be a jpeg, not a pdf. I suppose there are other file types that work, but I get jpegs off my digital camera.

First, get the file out of your camera and on to your hard drive. I bought a nifty little deal that's a card reader. It plugs into the USB port on your computer and has all kinds of little slots on it for memory cards. It cost maybe $ 12 and I like it because it's not a cord I have to keep track of. Just sits in the port.

Then join a photo sharing website. Photobucket is pretty good and it's free, in the current definition in that you have to watch ads to use it. Uploading your picture files to that will give each one an http address on the www.

Then it's just a matter of using the image insert feature on the current version of this forum site.

A big side benefit of uploading your photos on the web is that you can look at them, print them and email them from any where, at any time. I like showing my model photos to people on my iPhone or iPad when I am chattting with them about the hobby.

Hope this helps from one old fart to another, beggin' yer pardon.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, November 8, 2012 3:32 PM

One of these days I really need to learn how to post pictures.  I've got a good camera (Pentax K-10D) and I'm competent (barely) with Photoshop Elements, but I've never learned how to post pictures online.  Our club, as I understand it, is building a website; maybe that will make it easier.  I'll try to find out at the next club meeting (Saturday, Dec. 1, at 2:00 at the NC Maritime Museum in Beaufort; new members and guests always welcome).

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Tom Cervo on Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:31 PM

" I take pictures of them with my DSLR against a tailor-made backdrop..."  Don't forget to snap a few to post!  I would love to see them.

"A man cannot say he has fully lived until he has built a model ship"

Ronald Reagan

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:18 PM

I don't disagree with any of Mr. Cervo's comments.  I've vented on the subject of model contests quite a few times in this Forum; quite a few people have disagreed with me, but I've been surprised at the number who feel the same way I do.

In 57 years of model building I've entered, and judged, more than my share of model competitions.  (I was a judge at, among others, the 1990 Mariners' Museum contest - which, until it was discontinued, was widely regarded as one of the biggest competetive events in the ship modeling world.  I also, when I was working at the MM, wrote most of the rules for the 1985 version.  I was supposed to judge that one, too, but I got laid up in the hospital with a bladder stone.  Fate does work in mysterious ways.)  

Three basic things bug me about model contests. One is that, somehow or other, they seem to bring out the worst, most childish behavior in people.  (I used to be a little league baseball umpire; I'd rather face a herd of screaming kids and parents than a couple of guys who've lost at a model contest.)  

Two: winning or losing seems (though it shouldn't) to have such an emotional effect on people.  Docidle knows better than to give up ship modeling after his loss at that IPMS contest, but it sounds like it did discourage him a bit.  Like I said, it shouldn't.  (If you enter contests to have fun - great.  If they're a major part of your existence and winning is crucial to your self-respect - not so great.  I've known people who fall in the latter category.  Most of them are not happy people.)

Three:  people sometimes let their experience in competitions influence their modeling.  I firmly believe that's inappropriate.  No judge's opinion (and that's what judges have:  opinions) is ever going to influence how I build a model.   I love to look at other people's models, and I've gotten all sorts of good ideas from seeing how other people do things.  But I don't need a judge to tell me which ideas are good and which ones aren't.  That's my business. 

I'm a big believer in model exhibitions.  The model club I belong to (Carolina Maritime Model Society; next meeting Dec. 1 at the NC Maritime Museum in Beaufort) has an annual exhibition that coincides with the NCMM's wooden boat show.  The members bring in their models and display them to the public.  (Several thousand visitors usually show up.)  I take pictures of them with my DSLR against a tailor-made backdrop, put the results on a CD, and give copies of it to anybody who wants them.  The guys in the boat restoration shop make little 5-part fishing trawler kits out of wood scraps, and kids are invited to build them on the spot.  (Most enthusiastic participants:  Girl Scout troops.  Typical reaction to the experience of building a model:  ecstasy.) 

There's no competition of any sort in that club.  In about 15 years as a member of it I've never heard an uncivil word exchanged.  The membership includes plastic modelers, wood modelers, and people who (like me) don't identify themselves as either.  There are modern warship enthusiasts, HECEPOB enthusiasts, RC experts, and a guy who builds huge models of people's luxury yachts on commission.  We all learn all sorts of things for each other, and have a great time.  That's my kind of model club.  The meetings are well worth the two-hour drive.

At my age (62) I don't feel like I have anything to prove as a modeler (or anything else).  I don't need a judge to tell me  my models aren't as good as Donald McNarry's, Harold Hahn's, or Phillip Reed's; I'm perfectly capable of figuring that out for myself.  I'll never judge another model competition.  I just might enter one, though - if the grand prize is a brand-new Ferrari and each Honorable Mention gets a new Corvette.   And if I don't win, the judges better watch out.

It should go without saying that all the above observations are personal opinions, with which everybody is free to agree or disagree.  But I do think they're worth thinking about.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, November 7, 2012 3:54 PM

Why I don't ever enter contests.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Tom Cervo on Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:29 PM

jtilley,

I agree that this shouldn't be a subject to take anything away from this excellent model, so this will be the first and last post on the subject here as a rebuttal to your comments; most of which I agree.  However, as an ex IPMS/USA Head Ship judge, I do not speak officially for anyone.

"Two:  Docidle has provided yet more ammunition for me regarding a subject I've brought up several times here in the Forum:  I don't believe in model contests."

That's okay.  Many don't compete for many of the reasons you state.  I do, because I know the judging techniques behind each and every contest I enter.  As long as that is known by every entrant, then few surprises are experienced.

I obviously wasn't at the one that didn't give this model an award, but I strongly suspect the judges were airplane, armor, or modern warship enthusiasts who didn't understand what they were looking at when they looked at this cog.  If I'm right, any award they'd given to this model would have been meaningless anyway.

You are correct in that the judges were probably not "experts" on rigged sailing vessels.  At local and even regional IPMS/USA contests, finding qualified judges is a near impossibility.

IPMS/USA judges are trained to judge PLASTIC models, but other media is encouraged to enter.  I realize Docidle's model is plastic, but National IPMS ship judges are trained to look more for proper "basic" construction as defined by the Head Ship judge and the National Contest Committee.  This is all written in the rules and is available to anyone who wants them.  They look for parts alignment, seams, paint finish, decal application, mast alignment, glue spots, etc.  So thier decisions are based on that.  Unfortunately, accuracy is pretty far down the list when considering a winner.  I am NOT passing judgment on Docidle's model or anyone else's.  I am the first to say that photos are VERY kind to models.  I have had many models published in FSM and my own how to CDs that look WAAAY better than they do in real life.

If you seek "experts" in the field you build, seek contests endorsed by the Nautical Research Guild or similar organzations.  Unfortunately, local and even regional IPMS/USA contests don't have the luxury of 30 ship judges to choose from as I did as HSJ for IPMS/USA.  I actively sought out rigged ship builders and assigned them to those categories.

Go into any contest fully informed and you will enjoy yourself.  And if things don't go as you would like, sign up as a judge next time.  They can use your knowlege to make it a more enjoyable contest for everyone.

"A man cannot say he has fully lived until he has built a model ship"

Ronald Reagan

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, November 7, 2012 7:34 AM

Three points.  

One is obvious:  this is a superb model based on an outstanding kit.  

Two:  Docidle has provided yet more ammunition for me regarding a subject I've brought up several times here in the Forum:  I don't believe in model contests.  I obviously wasn't at the one that didn't give this model an award, but I strongly suspect the judges were airplane, armor, or modern warship enthusiasts who didn't understand what they were looking at when they looked at this cog.  If I'm right, any award they'd given to this model would have been meaningless anyway.

Three:  I don't get to say "I told you so" many times - but this time I can't resist.  I gather Docidle had been working on this model for a little while before he started this thread on October 5, but it clearly was barely under way at that time.  Now, a month later, he's (a) finished a super model that will look great on his mantle, (b) made a tremendous impression on his fellow modelers (at least those who know what they're looking at), and (c) gained a lot of experience in all sorts of facets of the hobby.  Surely this was a better way to spend a month than starting (barely) a Constitution, Victory, Cutty Sark, or Soleil Royal. 

Folks, if you want to break into sailing ship modeling, start with a relatively small ship on a relatively large scale.  You won't regret it.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by surfsup on Wednesday, November 7, 2012 6:31 AM

You have done a stunning job on her Steve. I really love it.....Cheers mark

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Posted by David_K on Sunday, November 4, 2012 10:39 AM

Good info!  I used MM Acrylic for the basecoats (I prefer acrylics for airbrushing)...so hopefully I won't have any trouble with the oils on top....and I definitely want to avoid applying too many coats of paint....I've seen the *de-crisping* effect of thick coats of paint before...I like sharp details!

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Posted by docidle on Saturday, November 3, 2012 11:13 PM

Thanks Dave.  Actually, I really thought I had a chance, but the judges thought differently.  As I looked at it objectively after, I found a number of small things that could have and probably did affect the judging.  That's what I get for rushing at the end.  So With that, I'm going to take the lesson and do better next time!

Also, please feel free to ask any questions on how to do artist oils.  One thing I did learn is to give the acrylics a few days to cure.  A good method to check if it is cured is the smell test; if you can still smell the paint, it ain't cured.  Another thing is that you want to make sure you put down an Acrylic base instead of an enamel base. When you start to put on the oils, it will start to liquefy the enamels and you'll have a big mess on your hands.  So if you painted the hulls of the guinea pig with Model Master enamels, you should let those dry completely and maybe airbrush an acrylic base coat over it.  The problem you face with that is that you start to lose details with each successive coat.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by David_K on Saturday, November 3, 2012 8:08 PM

Steve, your Kogge is a thing of beauty!  If you didn't win, I can't imagine what else was on display! Must have been some seriously impressive builds!  

BTW, I'm totally interested in a tutorial regarding your finishing methods with artist oil paints, since as you know, I'll be trying it out myself very soon!  I could really use some extra pointers!

Very nice work, my man!!

Dave

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Recently Finished: Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark

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Posted by docidle on Saturday, November 3, 2012 7:00 PM

Here are some more build photos with rigging.

Steve

 

 

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Saturday, November 3, 2012 6:53 PM

Well, here are the finished pictures of the Kogge.  I entered it into the IMPS Modelzona contest and show today and did not win anything.  I'm bummed but it just means I'll have to build something that will blow them away next year!  Not sure what I'm going to build.  I have the Revell Nina Pinta and Santa Maria that need to get finished.  And I offered to do a tutorial on artist oils, so I could use the Revell Santa Maria for that.  Anyway, enjoy and thanks for all the support guys!

Steve

 

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:32 PM

Happy Halloween everyone!

Just a couple of shots tonight, but I have more on the way.  I finished the standing rigging and the running will start tomorrow.  Here are a couple of shots of the yard lashing.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:28 PM

Thanks Mark for the continued support.  Your Japanese flattop is looking great.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by surfsup on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 4:57 AM

Just superb work so far.....Cheers Mark

If i was your wife, i'd poison your tea! If Iwas your husband, I would drink it! WINSTON CHURCHILL

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:52 AM

You have to look hard; however, if you look closely at the anchor rings, you'll see that I actually puddened the  rings.  I used the thinnest line I had to wrap around the rings.

Steve

 

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Monday, October 29, 2012 10:45 PM

Now comes the shrouds.  The learning curve is rather steep, but I think I'm getting the hang of it.

 

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Monday, October 29, 2012 10:35 PM

I finally loaded the ship's boat.  Looks fairly decent.

 

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Saturday, October 27, 2012 12:13 AM

Slow but hopefully sure, I continue with the rigging.  I rigged the main stay but haven't completely seized the fake upper eyesplice.  I have seized the lower deadeyes and started to attach them to the ship.  

       

 

 

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Posted by David_K on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:35 AM

Just fantastic, Steve!  Thanks for the update!  This build is generating a lot of interest....many people want to learn your artist oil finishing technique!  You might consider posting a tutorial thread with pics, explaining the process in detail....that is, if you're inclined (and I can tell you're a busy guy these days!)....such is the burden of knowledge!  Or how about a YouTube video?  :)  Personally, I can't wait to try out the method on my next plastic kit...after I practice on some scrap, of course...

You know, that Zvezda Medieval Boat seems to pop up all over the place....it was included as the boat in their Black Swan kit, and I think it was in a couple of their other boxes, as well, in addition to being available as a stand-alone kit...it's a pretty neat little project in itself!  Nice touch with the furled sail lashings....I left mine *stock* with the molded ropes.

Congratulations on your Anniversary!!

Dave

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Current Project:  Imai/ERTL Spanish Galleon #2

Recently Finished: Revell 1/96 Cutty Sark

Next Up:  ???

 

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:33 PM

This is the start of rigging the Kogge.  I've set up the two deadeyes for the main stay.

 

Seizing the line around the lower deadeye.

 

Looped and seized.  This is around the post and will be positioned where the deck and post meet.

Reeving the two deadeyes.

 

Reeved and ready to seize the lines.  You can see the plastic deadeyes for the main stay just below.

 

Seized and now I'll let this sit overnight to check if the lines are still taut tomorrow.  Then I'll move on to the shrouds. 

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:22 PM

Here are pictures of the ship's boat I bought to go along with the Kogge.  Even though the boat would fit better with a 17th to 19th century sailing ship, I really wanted to add something more to the build.  I do plan on adding barrels and some boxes on deck.  The boat is a Zvezda model with the unlikely name as a Medieval Lifeboat.....  it is still a nice little kit.

The deadeyes after staining them.

Stretching the lines to get rid of kinks.  I soaked them for a couple minutes then hung them with a bit of weight. 

       

 

 

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