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  • Member since
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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:31 PM

One unhappy by-product of all this:  it seems the people responsible have changed, and dumbed down, the ship's website.  It used to contain all sorts of nice stuff:  a good assortment of photos, in-progress accounts and photos of the restoration, press releases, etc.  For a while the site featured the full text (with drawings and other graphics) of a fascinating survey that had been done shortly before the fire, describing in detail just what parts of the ship were original and which were replacements - from her days as a school ship and as a museum ship.  (A surprising amount of the original stuff is still there.)  And there was a "shopping" section where one could by, among many other things, the George Campbell drawings (one of the biggest bargains in ship modeling.

I've spent a bit of time trolling the web for Cutty Sark sites during the past few days.  So far as I can tell, this is the revised version of the old one:  http://www.cuttysark.com/ .  It's a sorry shadow of its former self.  There's scarcely any information beyond the level of the casual tourist, nothing about the restoration (except "plan your visit" stuff), and a "shop Cutty Sark" page that, though it contains some nice stuff (including some old photos I hadn't seen), does NOT include the Campbell plans.

Maybe I've missed something.  If any other Forum member can find a Cutty Sark site like the old one - or, for that matter, a web source for the Campbell drawings - please let us know.

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  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:16 PM

Well I for one am very glad they decided to "restore" her at any rate. far too many are going by the way-side.

This what would have happened if the HMS Victory woudl have burned?  Would they have rebuilt her?  

 

 

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  • From: Spartanburg, SC
Posted by subfixer on Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:56 PM

The older a ship is, the less of the original is left. That is the nature of the beast. Modifications and repairs make this inevitable.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:39 PM

The Cutty Sark certainly was in need of restoration as her steel infrastructure was starting to fail. It does seem that they did a good job of restoring her. The problem starts with idea of suspending her in mid air which required additional infrastructure. The result is that the Cutty Sark that we see today, with much of the original fabric, is not the original Cutty Sark. It seems that the main focus is to create a museum piece that will make money!

I personally prefer the old display of the real Cutty Sark. The problem with that is even with a restored original infrastructure, the Cutty Sark was not built to sit on her keel indefinitely.

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Posted by cerberusjf on Sunday, October 14, 2012 11:32 AM

I have been under some ships too and I did feel squashable for a while, but not really excited.  It always strikes me how much bigger they suddenly appear to be when they're out of the water (for me at least).  

I can't imagine sitting having a coffee underneath Cutty Sark's keel being a comfortable experience.  And I can't think of a ship that I'd prefer to walk under the keel of rather than walk alongside, not even a type 45 destroyer..

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:46 AM

cerberusjf

  Being able to walk under the keel of a ship may be exciting .. if you are 10 years old.

 

 

Not necessarily if you are "ten years old". I have under ship's hulls in drydock for forty years and have always been in awe of them, from barges and tugs to destroyers, cruisers, fast attack subs, boomers , battleships and super carriers (Ever want to feel tiny and squashable? Walk under a Nimitz class carrier!) but they have always been resting on keelblocks. To be under a ship's hull that is suspended over you could only be duplicated if you were under water in incredibly clear conditions. I would pay 12 pounds to see that. Once! Smile

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Posted by cerberusjf on Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:22 AM

It's amazing to me how different the "artist's impression" of the glass "sea" and the final result are.  To be frank, I hate the new glasshouse and it has completely destroyed Cutty Sark for me.  I will certainly never pay £12 to go inside.  Although the underwater part of the hull is interesting, by far the most appealing part is the part of the hull above the waterline, which I think has been made almost impossible to enjoy.  I think I've lost a lot to gain - what exactly?  Being able to walk under the keel of a ship may be exciting .. if you are 10 years old.

I much preferred the previous way the ship was displayed.  I think the large door was cut into the side to allow disabled access and I think the unsightly lifts are there to provide disabled access to the upper decks and I wouldn't argue against these.

I'm sure with this award, the architects will be crying all the way to the bank.

It may be good news that it is reversible, but I wonder if it will ever be done?  It would be much better to get it right first time.  

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Posted by f8sader on Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:57 PM

Thanks for the report and video.  Now it can be truly said, "I ate lunch under the Cutty Sark".  If a reconsideration is determined to remove the whoop-dee glass structure (it won't be) I'll have the our folks take a look at bringing the structure to Vigor Shipyard here in Seattle to be used to control environmentals for painting ship hulls; though you wouldn't want to eat your lunch in there during sandblasting .

I must say that I like to be hopefull of the future, so I hope Mr. J. Masefield is wrong.  (I know, gasp!) Ships may never again be built of timber like that, but if we can get a hold of this carbon emissions thing, we may return to an age of sail for our commerce once again.

Lon-ski

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:57 PM

At least we each probably have the old Revell model with which we can see her graceful lines!

Bill

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Posted by Force9 on Saturday, October 13, 2012 12:05 PM
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  • From: Spartanburg, SC
Posted by subfixer on Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:59 AM

Thank you for the update and the BBC link, John. I have to agree with you, the "building" is pretty bad. But being able to view the hull without it resting on keelblocks is pretty dang cool.

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Cutty Sark restoration
Posted by jtilley on Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:46 AM

Shortly after the tragic fire on board the Cutty Sark we had a lengthy (and sometimes pretty high-temperature) discussion here in the Forum about the way the restoration of the ship was being carried out.  Now, for better or worse, it's finished.

For the record, my opinion at the time was that the actual restoration of the ship was being carried out in accordance with the highest technical and ethical standards of the conservation profession.  I still think so; they did a superb job of conserving and restoring the ship.

The way they've chosen to exhibit her is another matter.  A number of schemes were considered - including one that would have the ship surrounded by a bizarre glass-and-steel structure that would represent the curving swells of the sea.  (UGH.) 

As I understand it, when the decision was made to lift her off the bottom of the drydock one of the senior restorers resigned.  And the final result seems to be pretty controversial.  Here's a provocative video from the BBC:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19605582 .

I haven't been to London for quite a few years, but in my opinion the old way the Cutty Sark used to be exhibited was actually pretty good.  The ship sat in her drydock with her waterline at the level of the surrounding pedestrian mall.  That awful door had been cut in the port side, but it was possible to climb down a flight of stairs and look up at the bottom of the ship from the floor of the drydock.  The oft-heard statement that "you couldn't look up at the ship's hull" is just plain false.  At least in 1978 (when I was young enough to make my way down those stairs), the visitor was welcome to cimb down into the drydock.  And at the aft end of it was one of my favorite features,  a plaque bearing a quote from John Masefield:  "They mark our passage as a race of men/Earth will not sea such ships as these again."

For what little it's worth, my own personal opinion of the new "building":  (a) It's utterly hideous, and (b) Some of the other proposals (which got abandoned) were worse.  I guess I should be grateful - but it ain't easy.

The good news:  The conservators meticulously adhered to the principle of reversibility.  A few generations down the road, when (nay, if) a mass of money is available for such projects, it will be possible for some people who know what they're doing to demolish this awful eyesore and exhibit the Cutty Sark to the public in a manner that's aesthetically pleasing, consistent with the conservation ethic, and properly respectful of the ship. 

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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