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There, but for the Grace...
Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, January 8, 2013 2:27 PM

... of God, went I.

Bay Bridge Struck_Angu (1).jpg

I can relate to the poor helmsman at the wheel of the Overseas Reymar, the oil tanker that hit the Oakland Bay Bridge Tunnel the other day. Almost 40 years ago I just missed it with the USS Ranger because of an inattentive harbor pilot. He had the starboard engines both ahead full and the port engines ahead one third and had given me orders to give twenty degrees left rudder and no new course to steer.  I hollered at him (and the CO) that I couldn't control the turn, the CO relieved the pilot, assumed the conn and got everything right just before we passed the center structure (large cement pylon) of that very same bridge. Later, he gave me a pat on the back and thanked me. I probably saved his career.

We were passing through the space on the left, coming from the opposite direction from NAS Alameda.

File:Bay Bridge in fog at night.jpg

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, January 8, 2013 2:51 PM

It is a strange story. The O/R was outbound empty from Martinez and instead of turning right and going out the Golden Gate it turned left around Treasure Island and went under the Bay Bridge to the South Anchorage by Hunters Point, then did a 180 and headed north back under the bridge, which it hit.

It was under the control of the Bar Pilot at the time.

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, January 8, 2013 2:56 PM

That pilot had probably hit the bar before coming aboard. Beer

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:59 AM

She's moored off TI. I went down and took a picture but it's not worth posting. Apparently the pilot is a past pinball wizard, but there has to be a twist...

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:03 AM

HI:

Having lived in the SAN JOAQIUN / SACRAMENTO delta area , as a member of a CLEAN BAY skimmer  contract crew , I am quite familiar with this area .

 Even if he hadn't hit a bar (beforehand) Those waters and currents are very tricky . Now , that said , even with my forty foot houseboat (a RIVER QUEEN ) it was a handful .

  What I never understood was the obnoxious cockiness of those pilots .They would have you think they were a diety or something. I had the unfortunate  experience of dealing with these guys. They make you think they know it all.

 I will grant , a very good pilot is worth his weight , But , these guys (the bad to mediocre ones) overshadow the really good ones . There are a few .

They were ALL better when the BAY AREA had much heavier ship movements in the day .    Tanker-builder

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Posted by onyxman on Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:09 PM

The worst when it came to an inflated ego were the Panama canal Pilots.  They had one tricky spot, and for that they hooked up locomotives!

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:19 PM

Now the story is that the Racon system was down.

Maybe the bridge moved...

I think they need to take a clue from the other agency up the bay and paint the thing bright orange.

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Posted by subfixer on Friday, January 11, 2013 7:30 AM

No matter what kind of navigation  electronics a ship has, the Mark I eyeball is the best piece of equipment out there. On a Navy ship, radars are in abundance and are referred to constantly during Sea and Anchor Detail, but the true position of the ship is determined by quartermasters taking angles of sight on known landmarks during transits in and out of port with the exception of reduced visibility due to thick fog.

One of my old jobs during Sea and Anchor, the alidade:

File:Telescopic alidade.jpg

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Posted by onyxman on Friday, January 11, 2013 10:46 AM

True, but the Navy has the people to do that.  A merchant ship going into port has only 3 to 4 people on the bridge. ( Helmsman, mate, pilot, and maybe or maybe not the Captain)

Since GPS and electronic charts with GPS positions on them, there has been an unfortunate reduction in looking out the window.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, January 11, 2013 1:08 PM

She's been anchored just north of the bridge since Monday. I took this picture yesterday afternoon from the bridge (my wife took it). That's got to be costing some money.

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Posted by subfixer on Friday, January 11, 2013 2:13 PM

At least she is empty. To have a full load and to just sit there would be bad for the owners.

 Around ten years ago, there were many colliers at anchor in Hampton Roads just riding idle for months. The foriegn crews had very limited access to the ports for some reason or another and since they were not well paid, just sat on the ships waiting for a cargo so they could leave. Until it made the news that they were still on board, the local citizens just assumed they had gone home. After the story came out, there were a lot of donations made to help those poor guys.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, January 11, 2013 6:39 PM

I guess he learned that when he used to drive the Saratoga...

 

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:33 AM

Reduced visibility due to thick fog . . . a real problem in San Francisco Bay!

Bill

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Posted by DUSTER on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:54 PM

warshipguy

Reduced visibility due to thick fog . . . a real problem in San Francisco Bay!

Bill

 

I've heard that about that bay.

So its a good thing they had a pilot on board;

Why theres no telling how bad the damage would have been, other wise

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 11:31 PM

Half mile visibility rule for ship movements.

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