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Bad news from Testor
Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:27 PM

This news item has been roaring around the model railroading fraternity, but some ship, aircraft, and armor modelers may not have heard about it.  Testor is about to discontinue the PollyScale and Floquil paint brands.

To me, at least, this is foul news.  I've been a PollyScale fan for about forty years (starting in the days when it was called PolyS). 

Testor says it will continue the Model Master acrylic and solvent-based lines, but PollyScale and good ol' reliable Floquil are about to disappear.  (So is Pactra, which, as I understand it, is sold nowadays primarily to RC car enthusiasts.) 

This is particularly distressing to the model railroading community.  Those folks have relied for decades on Floquil for colors like reefer orange and Conrail green.  The new Model Railroader (which I picked up by pure chance) has an editorial that tries to convince model railroaders that the end of the world isn't really coming.

My intention at the moment is to switch over gradually to Vallejo.  I've used a few of its colors, and I really like the way they go on with a brush.  (As a Certified Olde Phogey, I don't use an airbrush if I can avoid it.) I'm also impressed with the two sets of Lifecolor US Navy colors I've bought.

If you like PollyScale or Floquil, best to stock up ASAP.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by rwiederrich on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:55 PM

Thanks for the tip.... on it....I'm

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:05 PM

IIRC Polly Scale was the first acrylic model paint. As an old railhead, that is distressing news indeed.

Anytime I'm at a LHS type of thing, I scour the racks for Engine Black, Weathered Black, Steam Power Black, Weathered Concrete and whatever else I can find.

I painted the bee lines on the big Heller Victory with a witches brew of Floquil Reefer Orange and some railroad's yellow that I got from the Pete Coleman website.

Daylight Orange, Lark Gray, (snuffle...)

Edit: and yes of course I painted the hull Steam Power Black. Time to raid the Admiral's Claret supply.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:12 PM

Yes, that is terrible news... the quality of Testors acrylics is well below that of Polly Scale or other acrylic brands. I need to hit the local RR Hobby Shop for the Floquil/Polly Scale colors I want before the are gone forever... Curse Testors!!!!

 

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:34 PM

My LHS guys told me about this a month or so ago, they are advising everyone to stock up.

Sad news, indeed. Though I've been out of hobby for a long time, I remember using Floquil and PolyScale on HO stuff. Sad

Good of you to post the heads-up.

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Posted by mrmike on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:36 PM

You're right Stik - the visit to the local RR shop just got moved up to priority One! I'm especially interested in Old Silver and Grimy Black, and I may have to spend this week's "allowance" on anything else that looks good. If Testor's acrylics are good for something, I've yet to find out what, although adding a drop or two of Future helps.

Mike

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:11 PM

Makes me wonder what kind of meatheads are running Testors business.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:21 PM

Yes Future helps the MM acylics for airbrushing. But the color line is still pretty much my last choice in most cases. Arnie's Trains, here I come!

 

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Posted by TarnShip on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 10:39 PM

keep in mind that you will be able to get the paints for a good while yet to come

they are going to stop production "when the raw materials are used up",,,,,,,then, sometime after that, the supply will dry up on a place by place basis

for example,,,,,,,,if you search around, you can still get all of the Polly Scale Military colors, and they have been OOP of at least a year, now

stock up, for sure,,,,,,I know I am going to,,,,,,,but, do a little searching and you can get the paints,,,,so, just shop around until you have a good supply built up at home

almost gone

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Posted by Isaella2 on Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:35 AM

Talk about Testor's painting business

www.trainboard.com/.../showthread.php

On the bench: Battle of Issus 1:72

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:33 AM

From the factory side of it, I'd wager Floquil has always been a regulatory compliance headache, for using xylene.  The very solvent which has made it so beloved in the RR community (it's a tad "hot" which the RR modelers have used to advantage).

While the ounce or two we consumers deal in is not a great quantity of solvent, over at the factory they probably have a pretty big tank.  And, in a suitably ironic twist, a rail spur with tank cars of the same, too.

Which can get people nervous--"You have how many 70,000 gallon tank cars of flammable solvent!?"  Plus all sorts of cars and containers of binder, pigment, etc.  All of which need all sorts of regulatory forms filled out, in triplicate. on an all-too-frequent basis.

(In part of my earlier life, working for an industrial manufacturer, we had to document the gas can for the mower, and have MSDS for the toner in the copiers ,sigh>)

It's a wonder to me, some days, that any paint is made anywhere.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:23 AM

I use mostly the MM line now since it's the easiest to find but I do miss Polly-S/PollyScale. I like MM and have had good luck with it but I do think PollyScale did brush much better as well as having a several colours MM doesn't make.

The guy that owns our local hobby shop told me about the demise of Floquil a couple of months ago, never used it myself but I hate to see it go- it's been around for gee, decades now. I can see CapnMac82's point though, at the plant I work at the regulations are friggin' insane.

I've used Vallejo paint for brush painting figures for years now. Great stuff! Huge line and it's so dense with pigment you can thin it right down and it still covers. Never tried airbrushing with it though.  

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Posted by fox on Thursday, July 18, 2013 1:20 PM

Saw a notice from Micro-Mark that they have those paints on sale. Just thought that you guys would like to know.

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Posted by littletimmy on Saturday, July 20, 2013 10:00 AM

I'm still mad at Testors for adding the "horse radish " scent to their glue so you couldnt sniff it.

 Dont worry about the thumbprint, paint it Rust , and call it "Battle Damage"

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Posted by f8sader on Saturday, July 20, 2013 11:28 AM

littletimmy

I'm still mad at Testors for adding the "horse radish " scent to their glue so you couldnt sniff it.

Lol!  My friends accuse me of modeling just for that purpose.  What is the shelf life of these products?  Is it worth stocking up?  My "arch rival" collectors in the Puget Sound area have probably beaten me to the punch!  (I still won't forgive them for buying the last Rat Fink figure or Hurst Hemi Under Glass when they were re-issued a few years back!)

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:12 PM

I've got PollyScale bottles that I've had for years, and they certainly seem to be good as new.  I know Floquil's shelf life has a good reputation among model railroaders, but I haven't had much experience with it myself.

I became a convert to acrylics about thirty-five years ago, when the original PolyS came out.  In the hobby shop where I was working at the time (in Columbus, Ohio), it initially didn't sell.  There were rumors (totally false) that dried acrylic paint would come off if the model got a drop of water on it, or that it would rub off.  The owner of the shop finally got fed up and told me I could take the whole PolyS rack home with me for free.  I started experimenting with it, and discovered that, though it required a somewhat different technique than the enamels I'd been using for many years, it was capable of producing excellent results when brushed.  (I've never enjoyed airbrush painting much.  I have an airbrush, but I scarcely ever use it.)  Then I noticed that, whereas up till then I'd generally worked on a model for a couple of hours at a sitting, I was finding myself staying in the workshop for four or five hours at a stretch.  I suddenly realized that was because the enamel (and paint thinner) fumes were gone.  I've been an acrylic fan ever since.  (And when PolyS started making colors specifically for aircraft and armor, the boss started stocking it again.  I talked quite a few customers into using it.  I never heard from one who was disappointed with it.)

I remember vividly when Testor started making its glue "unsniffable."  My recollection is that initially it put oil of mustard into the mix.  Testor put out a big package of press releases for hobby shop owners to send to their local government officials, many of whom had been talking about banning glue sales to kids under eighteen.  My boss sent such a package to a member of the Columbus City Council.  Kids, unfortunately, didn't read the press releases.  We had several raunchy little brats who came in wanting to buy eight or ten tubes at a time; we knew perfectly well what they were doing with it.  Whether it actually had the effect of making them high or not I don't know.  The company literature said they'd throw up before they reached that point.  (The boss took the position that Testor was telling the truth, the kids weren't actually getting high, and if they were it wasn't his problem.  When he wasn't around, I quietly made it my personal policy never to sell a kid more than one tube at a time - even when he claimed, "hey man, I'm working on this really big model."  Yeah, right.)

The oil of mustard (or whatever it was) also had the effect of making the glue stiffer and stringier.  I switched over to Revell and/or Ambroid for tube styrene cement.  Both those brands are gone now.  (There was another one called Ross that I also liked - also gone.)  Come to think of it, maybe those brands were slightly hallucinogenic too.  That might explain the state of my brain lo these many years later.  (My wife says that, though I don't have Alzheimer's, I do have a bad case of Halfzeimer's.  I say she's got the other half.  Our screwy old cat, Yehudi, clearly has Catzheimer's.)

I usually use the liquid stuff nowadays, but I still keep a tube of Testor's handy.  I contend that, especially in ship modeling, there are times when putting a drop of tube glue on a part is the best way to stick it to the model.  I wish the good ol' Revell Type S or Ambroid plastic cement was still on the market.

As for paint, I'd urge ship, aircraft, armor, and figure enthusiasts to check out the Vallejo line.  It's enormous, and the paint seems to handle just about like PollyScale.  Modern warship modelers should take a look at the Lifecolor range.  I bought two sets of U.S. WWII warship colors from that company, and I really like them.  

For model railroaders - well, the world is coming to an end.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:25 AM

Well, I know I will miss Floquil in ship modeling, since it is so well suited to the multimedia aspects of ship modeling.  The same virtues that made it so beloved of the railroaders.  Who are, in many ways, the demographic that pioneered multimedia modeling.

I know I will miss Grimy, Oily, and Engine Black.

But, I pity the model railroaders (and fear their coming online  insanity)

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:46 PM

Yes, the links posted to their sites show a LOT of unhappiness in that communit. I can not argue with their sentiments at all. Those were some darn good paints and will be missed by me. I dont care what Testors does to try to replace them, the colors and quality will likely be not be the same, if their past product is what you can judge them from

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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