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Some questions about 1:700/500/400/350 ships

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Some questions about 1:700/500/400/350 ships
Posted by adam340 on Thursday, July 18, 2013 2:10 PM

Hi

I have a few questions regarding ships:

-how many parts does an average 700/500/400/350 LCS, Battleship or Carrier have

- what is a good scale, model or area for beginners

-what materials come with the kits/ what materials do you have to buy

-what are good companies

Thanks

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Posted by Tojo72 on Thursday, July 18, 2013 3:40 PM

Like I said in your other post,every kit is different according to the manufacturer,who it was made for,and so forth.

Trumpeter makes some nice ships,as does Tamiya.Dragon kits are somewhat complicated and instructions not clear.

If you are a beginner,and want to do battleships,I would recommend some of the older Tamiya kits,like the original Yamato,Bismarck,and Prince of Wales in 1/350 or 1/700

1/700 is small but if your eyes and fingers are nimble a 1/700 battleship or carrier isn't too bad.

I covered a lot,I'm sure you will get more responses,you may need to get more specific

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Posted by subfixer on Friday, July 19, 2013 7:54 AM

Usually, the only materials that come with kit, other than the basic parts, are decals.

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Posted by LonCray on Friday, July 19, 2013 9:04 AM

For myself, I chose one scale (1/350 because I have sausage fingers) and one genre (modern) specifically to limit myself from buying every new model under the sun.  I could've limited myself further to just American, but I like the looks of modern Russian ships too much.  If I were a 1/700 modeler, I would quickly go bankrupt because of all the offerings out there.  

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, July 19, 2013 12:34 PM

Well, I'll throw in my two cents' worth. 

The number of parts in a kit varies tremendously with the scale, the manufacturer, the material (styrene vs. resin), and the age of the kit.  Some of the oldest 1/700 battleships and carriers on the market (the old Revell ones from the 1970s, for instance) have fewer than a hundred parts apiece.  The more recent 1/700 battleships and carriers from companies like Dragon and Trumpeter generally have between 200 and 300.  (A carrier will generally have more, because of the airplanes.)  Plastic kits in 1/350, generally speaking, have more parts.  I believe the Trumpeter Nimitz-class carriers, for instance, have upwards of 1000 parts apiece.  All other things being equal, resin kits generally have fewer pieces (because resin can be cast in flexible rubber molds, where as plastic has to be injection-molded). 

I happen to like 1/700 scale, for a few reasons.  The variety of kits available is greater (though 1/350 is catching up), the finished models don't take up much space, and they're relatively cheap.  (I just can't spend several hundred dollars on a kit.)  There are only a handful of 1/500 kits out there.  Heller used to make a rather extensive line in 1/400, but they're harder to find and the subject matter is limited.  (Heller made French and German ships, and a very few British ones.  That's it.)  A couple of manufacturers have dabbled briefly in 1/400, but beyond Heller's there are only a handful of kits. 

Generally speaking, I recommend that newcomers start with a large-scale kit of a relatively small vessel.  Three that come to mind immediately are the Tamiya 1/350 U.S.S. Fletcher (destroyer) the Trumpeter 1/350 U.S.S. England (destroyer escort), and the Revell 1/350 Type VII U-boat.  All those are reasonably accurate kits that can be built into impressive replicas in a week or two.  And they don't cost much (relatively speaking).   I recommend cutting your teeth on a small vessel before shelling out a staggering amount of money for a 1/350 battleship or carrier, which will involve mind-numbing repetition (forty or fifty 20mm guns and thirty or forty aircraft), and take months to build.

You can figure on every kit having either plastic or resin parts.  Beyond that there's a great deal of variation.  An increasing number these days come with sheets of photo-etched brass detail parts - but a lot don't.  Some resin kits have a few white metal cast parts, and a few plastic kits have resin details included.  There is an extremely extensive aftermarket, which sells brass, resin, and cast metal fittings for all sorts of ships in all sorts of scales. 

In many cases, a kit comes with a small sheet of etched brass parts that are specific to that ship, but not such generic items as railings and ladders.  For them you have to go to the aftermarket.

A lot of kits come with decals (for such things as hull numbers, aircraft insignia, and carrier deck markings) and flags - either in decal form or paper.  Some don't.

Recommending manufacturers is fraught with danger.  I can think of at least a dozen companies each of which has made at least one excellent kit over the years and at least one that, by modern standards, is pretty crude.  (Most obvious example:  Revell, whose recent Bismarck kits have a fine reputation but who's also selling an Iowa-class battleship that's been on the market since 1953.)   Off the top of my head I can't think of a Dragon kit that isn't recommendable.  (Dragon has only been in the ship market for a few years, and almost all of its kits are pretty close to state-of-the-art.)  Your best course in choosing a kit is to look up reviews of it on the web - or ask here in the FSM Forum if anybody's familiar with the kit.

Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.  It's a great hobby.  And this Forum is a fine place to get support and encouragement.  There are some decidedly odd people here, but most of us are harmless.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, July 19, 2013 1:53 PM

Heller is on deep discount at Squadron right now.

Tilley puts a point on an odd but true fact about parts count.

I built the Zvezda 1/350 plastic "Borodino" and that thing had more parts than Georgia has peanuts. It kind of drove me crazy after a while as I felt like there was no end in sight. It cost me $ 35.00.

I have (un built) a very beautiful Combrig 1/350 resin kit of the cruiser Scharnhorst (the WW1 version). I paid $ 325.00 for it in a moment of total irrationality. It has maybe 50 parts. Of course I have to add all kinds of stuff, from railings to gun barrels to masts.

I wouldn't put too much value in parts count.

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Posted by f8sader on Friday, July 19, 2013 2:28 PM

LonCray

For myself, I chose one scale (1/350 because I have sausage fingers) and one genre (modern) specifically to limit myself from buying every new model under the sun.  I could've limited myself further to just American, but I like the looks of modern Russian ships too much.  If I were a 1/700 modeler, I would quickly go bankrupt because of all the offerings out there.  

Lol, I hear that!  "Sausage fingers"...I do know "it's hard to be humble when you're 6 foot 3!" (or build little itty bitty 1/72 scale armor, etc!)

Lon-ski

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, July 21, 2013 1:55 PM

I want to add some comments about 1/400 kits. Heller is the most well-known company producing these kits but by no means is it the only one. First, 1/400 is a fairly large scale that can offer plenty of room for detailing without having an extreme number of parts. Their ships are comfortable builds for most beginning modelers. Heller ships generally have well-shaped hulls but vary widely in topside detail. Their French ships, especially the battleships Jean Bart, Richelieu, Dunkerque, and Strasbourg are quite nice but hard to find. Heller has recently re-released Jean Bart and Dunkerque. Their German and British ships are somewhat crude by comparison but can be greatly improved with a little work. There are exquisite photoetch sets for the, and Artwox has recently released wood decks for them as well.

Don't forget the beautiful Tauro 1/400 Italian heavy cruisers Zara, Fiume, Gorizia, and Pola. These are terrific kits, also with available after-market detail sets.

Mirage has terrific German Types II, VII, and IX U-Boats in 1/400 scale in a wide variety of outfits, as well as several 1/400 destroyer kits (including the American Four-Pipers).

Finally, there are a number of companies that produce 1/400 kits in paper-card, notably the Polish company JSC, that are quite nice. These ship kits can be made so that an observer cannot tell that they are made of paper. I would recommend perusing www.papermodelers.com to see just what can be done with these ships.

1/400 scale can be a much less expensive alternative to larger scales, they are easier to build, and, if you consider building paper-card kits, have quite an extensive range.

Bill Morrison

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, July 22, 2013 7:09 AM

Also, Arii has two outstanding versions of the USS Enterprise (CVAN/CVN 65) in 1/400, while Kangnam has the USS New Jersey (1980's version), USS Missouri (WWII), Bismarck, and Tirpitz. Several of the obscure Russian companies have 1/400 ships, mostly Russian/Soviet ships, and there have been several different Titanic kits.

Far from being a random scale with few ships represented, the ships modeled in 1/400 mostly consist of ships not released in 1/350.

Bill Morrison

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Posted by EdGrune on Monday, July 22, 2013 7:49 AM

And just to close the loop on things, the pedigree of the  ARII Enterprise kit is the former Otaki kit.   The Revell Enterprise is the old Monogram kit which was the old Aurora kit.  

Bert Kinzey in his Detail & Scale book on the Enterprise called the Otaki/ARII kit the best large scale model of the Enterprise, with the 1:350 Tamiya kit a distant second and the Aurora/Monogram/Revell offering coming in last

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Posted by seasick on Monday, July 22, 2013 11:45 PM

I like 1/700 personally.

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