Revell 1/110 Charles W Morgan

Stopped by  LHS and stocked up on 3 bottles each of Copper, Antique White and Light Green. - 4.45 per bottle that blew my model money for the month.

Are the Vallejo Yellow can it be put in an airbrush?

I love this model! There are two other ships ahead of this in the queue, the Potemkin (80%) and SSN-571 Nautilus (60%) but I may get out the CWM and start fiddling. For now I'm happy to watch you.

As far as research, so far I've read the book from the Seaport; Leavitt's "The Charles W. Morgan".From all comments I've found about that book, there's no reason to doubt any of the statements it contains. While not too detailed, it gives a good chronology of the ship, at least up to 1973.

Here's a quick overview of the basic changes I have read about therein. She was launched in 1841 as a three masted fully rigged ship, four sails per mast. There were all manner of jibs, headsails, staysails and a spanker on the mizzen mast. Studding sails were used on the fore and main mast yards.

There were four boats in davits plus spares, three on the larboard and one aft on the starboard side. The boats at that time were lapstreak construction.

The windlass was aft of the foremast, there was no hurricane house on the stern, and there was a deck capstan somewhere.

The hull was black, maybe with three or so strakes of natural planking from the deck level down. Most of that type of ship at that time had the wales painted white, but there's no clue to that in this book- it most probably was painted that way, and certainly was not soon after.

That's the rigging Revell sets up, although the boat and deck furniture arrangement is from much later.

In 1867 she was re-rigged as a bark, losing the yards from the mizzen as well as the topgallant mast. Somewhere in there she got a fifth boat starboard forward.

In 1875 she was re-rigged, with wire stays and many other improvements. In 1879 she was re-rigged and replacement masts were three feet shorter than before.

In 1881 she was rigged with double topsails on the main. An upper fore topsail was added at sea that year as well. The windlass moved forward of the foremast, switching places with the forward companionway.

Somewhere in there the stern deck houses were added.

Pictures from the turn of the last century show the simpler stern. Whether there were windows before is not explained here.

She retired in 1921. She appeared in both "Down to the Sea.." and "Java Head", being more or less fully rigged again.

After leaving service, she was refurbished and put on display from 1924 or soon after, to 1935. There's a photo in the book from that time showing her fully rigged again, with the gun port paint job. That's how she's painted in a photo showing her being towed to Mystic, although there's only two yards on the mizzen.

Now I realize that those of you who actually know something about ships are expectorating into your spittoons, but I'm offering this brief synopsis as one modeler to another without misstating anything from this one source. I think it could be useful.

I guess that the Revell model pretty closely follows the way the ship came to the Museum. Dr. Tilley no doubt may know the source of that companies information, but it appears to me that what they are selling is a sort of movie/ display version of the ship, circa 1950.

This is Docidles thread, so I'll explain my plans elsewhere, but I hope this helps, Steve.

The starboard side.

Thanks Prof Tilley for the recommendation.  I found a couple of copies of Ship Modeler's Shop Notes 2 that were actually affordable so I am going to order them; however, should I also pick up a copy of volume one?

Here is a shot from the bows towards the stern.  On the transom piece I painted the port and starboard interior white to match the interior of the hurricane cabins.  It will be hard to see but at least I know they're white.  I also plan on placing a ring buoy on the wall besides the helm and rig the helm.

I am dry fitting all the deck fixtures and furniture and when they have been sanded, scraped and painted, then I'll start glueing.  I also plan to use an oil wash to weather the CWM and I hope it will turn out nice.  I am testing colors on scrap to see what works best.  I am still not sure what era the Revell model portrays although I have an idea that it is a compilation of eras.  Most of the pictures I have found show the transom without the bank of windows and only the stars and eagle for decoration, but I have decided to leave the transom alone other than glazing the windows and not painting the gun stripe on the sides.

I am going to take photos this weekend with the dry fitted parts on decks so any help and comments are appreciated.

Enjoy,

Steve

Ship Modeler's Shop Notes is an excellent reference unto itself.  

Next time I get my financial feet under me again, replacing my well over-read, broken-spine copy with a new one.

If you really want to dive into the subject of nineteenth-century nautical paint colors, pick up a copy of the second volume of Ship Modeler's Shop Notes, published by the Nautical Research Guild.  It contains a long article by Eric Ronnberg on just that subject, based  on such sources as written records and catalogs from paint companies.  There are several pages of color chips.  This article almost (not quite, thank goodness) lets sailing ship modelers play the same sorts of games about color accuracy as aircraft and modern warship modelers do.  

Remember, though, that, given old-time manufacturing mentions and differences from manufacturer to manufacturer, and the fact that no agency like the U.S. Navy or the U.S. Army Air Forces was presiding over any "official" colors, the best one can hope for is a general guide.

Depot buff is a really close shade based on what I can tell from the older and newer color pictures.

Jake,

I used Vallejo Yellow Ochre for the interior.  I found it to be really close to the color that was painted on before and during the renovation.  It doesn't have an orange tint to it but more of a brownish cast.  You have to remember that the pure colors that we have now weren't around then.  Although I remember seeing somewhere in another CWM thread that the stripe on the boats was an Electric Blue; and you can actually look up the color on Goggle.  However, I am not sure when that color was used.

I also primed with Tamiya's fine gray primer in a rattle can since gray is a perfect primer for reds and yellows and Tamiya's primer tightens up as it dries so little if any detail is lost.  Which Floquil yellow are using?

What the history of the color is I have no idea at the moment, but I did ask GMorrison which reference book he is reading which may have the reasoning behind the choice.  Or else Tracy White might know.  It could have been the Captain's choice and the interior was painted in greens or whites at other times, it would be interesting to know.  Anybody?

Steve

Dave,

I am using Floquil copper since the Les Wilkens' method of aging the copper plates can only be achieved using Floquil Copper, Antique White and Light Green.  Which reminds me that I need to stock up on Floquil paints before they disappear.  I am going to need to find another method for patinaing the copper bottoms down the road.

Steve

Thanks GM!  It is a really interesting build and the detail is really nice.  It is an enjoyable build except for the pin marks which in some instances are huge.  The cleanup isn't too bad and the flash is actually fair to midland.

What book are you reading and what would you recommend for reference material?  I am not sure what would be the best reference material that would have all the incarnations the CWM has gone through during her working life.  There's a build on shipmodeling.net forum that a gentleman name Gerald did that is stunning.  Again, I am not sure which period he is modeling it to but it has the head along the port side opposite the fore companionway, otherwise it looks pretty much like the Revell kit.  There is another structure between the skylight and the aft companionway that is covered by the aft overhead.  He had it posted on modelshipworls's forum but with the server crash they had, a good portion of his WIP was lost.

I am trying to decide whether to use the forward overhead that covers the tryworks area. I would hate to lose all the detail work. As I progress (meaning that I will actually glue pieces together), I am going to age the copper with Floquil paints, a la Les Wilkins style, and then use artist oils as usual for me to give it just the right look.

Thanks for the heads up on the masts, I thought they felt a bit "springy".I know metal would be stronger but what about wood so that I can taper it?

Steve

Does anyone know what the shade of yellow is called. Floquil makes a great shade of flat yellow that is real close to what you show in the pictures.  I wonder why they decided to use this coloring?  Anyone have a backstory or history?

Hey Steve, what kind of paint did you use for the copper bottom?

That looks great, Steve. I'm thinking about mine too, but it's a little ways down the queue.

Have you narrowed down the era you are going to build. Even the brief amount of reading I've done suggests that over the 75 or so years she was in service there's quite a few combinations of fit outs and rigs to explore.

One thing I remember from past builds of this kit is that the masts are really flexible and it's very hard to keep them straight when the rigging is installed.

I would consider replacing at least the top masts with brass tube, even if it's not tapered.

You can see where I touched up with a brush on the hull. I had originally used a rattle can to paint the hull.

Steve

However, you cannot see the touch ups without the flash.

Still need to clean up the painting as I go.

Steve