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20 year old Revell USS SARATOGA

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20 year old Revell USS SARATOGA
Posted by Viejo on Saturday, October 12, 2013 4:17 PM

I recently began working on it after having on a shelf for over 20 years.  It's 1/542 scale, so I doubt there are any after market detail parts for it.

 

When I opened the box (last year), there was a serious molding error in the center of the flight deck, almost as if something had exploded under the deck.  It took me a while, but I think I have it looking good enough that what is left can be covered by an aircraft at the end.

 

Right now, I'm waiting for the floor wax to dry before I apply the deck details.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, October 12, 2013 4:29 PM

Actually there are some PE sets out there specificly for the old Revell box scale kits. Look at at eith Gold Models or Toms Modelworks sites for specifics.

 

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Posted by Viejo on Saturday, October 12, 2013 4:38 PM

Hahaha...  I've been looking at the railings on this sara with a magnifying glass.  Don't think I want to try and get any closer.  Putting the decals on the aircraft will be detailed enough.  :D

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, October 12, 2013 4:53 PM

Understood... but they have stuff for the masts, radar, aircraft, etc.

Here is the Gold Medal Models set

http://goldmm.com/ships/gms5usac.htm

No luck over at Toms...

 

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Posted by Viejo on Saturday, October 12, 2013 5:31 PM

Thanks for the link.  HOLY CRAP.  That's detailed.  However, I'm afraid that I'm not going to try to this far with this one.  As it stands, I've just discovered that the decals for the main deck (the long stripes and such) are all tearing to shreds as I try to apply them.  Got the name on the stern, but even it broke, and is just a tad squeued.  If I'm lucky, the "60"'s will not come apart, otherwise, I'll have to paint a couple of stripes on the deck.  Not EVEN gonna try the decals for the aircraft, too many, too small, to delicate.

BUT, I do like how Future works with decals.  That I will continue....

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Posted by Phil_H on Saturday, October 12, 2013 6:22 PM

Get yourself some Microscale Liquid Decal Film, It's a lifesaver for old decals.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, October 12, 2013 7:34 PM

This decal set from Starfighter Decals may help you. It is for the Essex class, but the air wing and flight deck markings can be of help to you.

Essex Class Decals

Essex Class Decals

Essex Class Decals

 

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Posted by Viejo on Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:56 PM
Nice. Guess the Sara will go back on the shelf until I can get some new ones. Thanks.

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Posted by Viejo on Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:11 PM
Which looks like about three days. Can't wait. Thanks.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:19 PM

I always have had a fond spot for that kit. It was a Christmas present to me when I was probably about 15. The Picture Fleet version, had a painting of her in an Arabic port, dhows, mosques etc.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Viejo on Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:32 PM

Nice art, G.  Stikpusher, I've ordered the ones for the Sara.  Thanks.

 

 

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Posted by scorpr2 on Saturday, October 12, 2013 10:39 PM

I've got the same kit you're working on.  How's it going together?

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, October 12, 2013 11:38 PM

Viejo

Nice art, G.  Stikpusher, I've ordered the ones for the Sara.  Thanks.

 

 

Sweet! I did not even know that they had all those ship decals until I just saw their site right now. Glad to point you there (even if it was accidentally somewhat).

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:47 AM

We used to call Saratoga the "Sorry Sara".  All ships have derogatory nicknames.

But if you don't get the photo etch for anything else, get it for the radar antennae and the cranes.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by Viejo on Sunday, October 13, 2013 2:37 PM
Subfixer, I am liable to get the pe stuff for later application. For now, I think I'll try to get done with the kit. Some of those folds will be very tiny.

Scorp, going good except for crumbly decals, and not knowing for sure where to locate the sponsons.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, October 13, 2013 3:20 PM

And the nice thing about that set is that you can do at least two ships off the one set- a Forrestal class and an Essex class.

 

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Posted by Viejo on Sunday, October 13, 2013 5:31 PM

True, but since the Sara used to live near here, that's the direction I wanted to go in.  If it looks decent enough, there's probably a navy guy around here that sailed on her and might appreciate the model.

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Posted by Viejo on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 8:47 PM

I've not really put her on the shelf while waiting for the new decals, I've install the fuel decks, sponsons, and catwalks, along with putting together the bridge and aircraft.

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Posted by allan on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:23 PM

Wait, are those tie downs I see on deck?

No bucks, no Buck Rogers

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Posted by Viejo on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:46 PM
Is that commentary on my two tailsitters? :)

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 10:53 PM

Lighting does kind of make it look like there's a fifth arresting wire on the deck.

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Posted by Viejo on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:37 PM
Hmmm. Actually, there are six.

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Posted by allan on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 11:49 PM

Hahaha.    No, just noticed the pattern on the deck, and what appears to be a pattern for deck tie downs, except raised and covers even the landing area.

No bucks, no Buck Rogers

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Posted by Viejo on Thursday, October 17, 2013 1:59 AM
It has those raised bumps fore and aft. I think in scale they'd be like 6 to 8 onches tall. Some of my source data shows that pattern but they don't appear raised. On my deck, the dots are everywhere EXCEPT around the "deck eruption" I had to repair. There, all there are is remnants of dots. If I sand gthem ALL down I'll lose some landmarks for decal placements.

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Posted by allan on Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:41 AM

6-8 inches tall?  They may just as well be wheel chocks.  Hahaha.

You could mark each one and drill a shallow hole where the raised dot was.  

upload.wikimedia.org/.../US_Navy_100105-N-6604E-007_Aviation_Machinist&

But that would give anyone teary eyes, I would imagine.

Im quite amazed an old kit would have those, even if raised.  Ive built a number of carriers in the 80s, but none of them had those.  Wait, did my old Forrestal have them ...?

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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, October 17, 2013 8:05 AM

I don't know what that 6th wire was for, the 5th one either except for use with the landing barricade, maybe?

 At the time those aircraft were being used, there were only four arresting wires on the flight deck. I don't know when she was modified, but it had to be earlier than the later 1960s. 

In the 50s, the North American AJ-1 Savage was being deployed on US carriers. This photo shows the first landing of one on Sara. Note that there are five arresting wires, not six, at this time.

 

There was an "extra" 3rd wire located just forward of the normal 3rd wire. It was utilized for the barricade.

Here is an early version of the  barricade deployed.

 

Here are later versions:

 

These photos show it stowed:

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Posted by Viejo on Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:51 PM

OUTSTANDING pics, sub, thanks.  THAT'S the deck I'm trying to create.  Colorwise and wear and such.

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Posted by Viejo on Thursday, October 17, 2013 4:53 PM

THAT is what they're supposed to be.  Um, that's going to be going where I hadn't intended with this build.

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Posted by Allen109 on Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:00 PM

As far as I know,there is an article on this site explaining the changes you need to make to turn the Saratoga kit into the Saratoga,as the kit is the Forrestal, out of the box.

Starfighter Decals has aftermarket for this kit.

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Posted by Viejo on Saturday, October 19, 2013 3:16 PM

I'll go look for the article, Allen, but other than replacing the decals with the ones from Starfighter, this build is more or less as it comes out of the box.  The work I did on repairing the flight deck was more than I had planned on, don't know that I'm up for major surgery on the deck.

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