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Heller 1/400 Scale French Charles de Gaulle, R91, OOB Review & Build, Kit# 81072

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Heller 1/400 Scale French Charles de Gaulle, R91, OOB Review & Build, Kit# 81072
Posted by Jeff Head on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:47 PM
My Review and Build of Hellers 1/400 scale Kit #81072,
French Charles de Gaulle, R91, Aircraft Carrier

Introduction and What's in the Box - November 12, 2013

Introduction and Overview
The French Navy has operated CATOBAR (catapult assisted take off, barrier arrested recovery) aircraft carriers for many decades. Their two Clemenceau Class carriers began to age and the nation needed a replacement so France embarked on the difficult task of building a nuclear powered aircraft carrier. The only nation to that time that had such carriers was the Untied States. The design established for the French carrier was significantly smaller than the US Navy "super" Nimitz class carriers which each displace in excess of 100,000 tons. The French carrier would displace 42,000 tons and carry a smaller air wing. But this was viewed as acceptable for France's deefence needs and the carrier was built.

It was not an easy process. There were significant delays and cost overruns. She was laid down in April 1989 and launched in MArch 1994, which was a good time frame fpor building, but that is when the troubles strted. Due to numerous problems, all of which were corrected, butt took significant time...like finding that the carrier deck was too short for the E-2 Hawkeye aircraft the carrier was to use for AEW purposes; or having one of the propellers crack and fail during sea trials and finding that the other propellers has similar issues and that the company that had built them had gone bankrupt and the records for the design and maintenance were lost; or having the nuclear reactor trigger the combustion of isloation material and producing heavy smoke in the engineering spaces and then later finding that another faulty isolation element was allowing too much radioactivity to escape from the reactor; or after the propeller fix (which required that they use older, less effiecent propellers from the older carriers), having 100db noise levels in the engineering spaces near the starboard proeller, rendering those spaces unihabitable. It took seven years for the French to find and correct all of these issues (along with more normal new ship issues) and finally the carrier was commissioned in May of 2001, over 12 years after the start of her construction, and five years later than scheduled. But, by that point, her costs were so significant, that the idea of building a second nuclear carrier was dropped and France to this day (2013) has still not settled on the design for a second carrier with convetnional power

Having said all of this, once the problems were corrected, the Charles de Gaulle has gone on to have a very admirable service record. She has served in Operation Enduring Freedom off and on from 2001 until 2006, off of Afghanistan, helping provide air cover and support for French and colation troops. In Speptember of 2007 she went through a 15-month refit process. This saw her propellers replaced with the new, more efficient ones intended for her from the start. Her stores and aircraft maintenance areas were upgraded to allow for full use of the Rafael fighter and its munitions, The satellite and other communications equipment was upgraded producing a significant increase in bandwidth and speed.

In 2010 a French naval task group, designated Task Force 473, led by the Charles de Gaulle departed Toulon on 30 October 2010 for a four-month deployment. This operation was named Operation Agapanthus 2010, and was deployed to the Mediterranean Sea, Red Sea, Indian Ocean. and Persian Gulf. The French carrier task force included the French frigates Forbin and Tourville; a nuclear attack submarine Améthyste; and a replenishment oiler Meuse. The Embarked Aviation Group (EAG) consied of 12 Super-Étendard attack aircraft, 10 Rafale multi-role fighters, and two E-2C Hawkeye 2000 AEW aircraft. The task group was deployed to help patrol for pirates and to support coalition oefforts in Afghanistan.

In March 2011, the Charles de Gaulle was deployed to the Mediterranean Sea as a part of Operation HArmatten, to enforce United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 which called for a no-fly zone over Libya. Accompanying the Charles de Gaulle were the frigates Dupleix and Aconit and the fleet replenishment tanker Meuse. During the following, Operation Unified Protector, the aircraft from the Charles de Gaulle flew 1,350 sorties during the war on Libya. The CdG was then withdrawn for maintenance at Toulon in August 2011..After this short maintenance period, the Charles de Gaulle was again underwayin December 2011. In March 2012, Charles de Gaulle departed for a deployment to the Mediterranean Sea. This Charles de Gaulle's task force consisted of the frigates Chevalier Paul, Dupleix, Montcalm, and EV Jacoubet; the replenishment tanker Meuse; and the nuclear-powered submarine Émeraude. The embarked air group consisted of 7 Rafales fighters, 7 Super Etendards Modernisés (SEM) strike fighters, and 2 E?2C Hawkeye airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft. During this deployment, the task group took part in the 2012 FANAL exercises which also included land-based Atlantique 2 maritime patrol aircraft. 2012 FANAL was the first major exercise involving the French Navy's new Caïman helicopter.

The specifications for the Charles de Gaulle nuclear aircraft carrier include:

Displacement: 42,000 tons
Length: 858 feet
Beam: 211 feet
Draft: 31 ft.
Speed: 27 knots
Propulsion: 2 × K15 pressurised reactors, 2 shafts
Crew: 1,950
Aircraft: Up to 40 aircraft, consisting of:
- Rafale M fighter/bombers (10-12)
- Super Étendard attack aircraft (10-12)
- E-2C Hawkeye AEW aircraft (2)
- SA365 Dauphin Helicopters (12 helos total)
- EC725 Caracal Helicopters(12 helos total)
- AS532 Cougar Helicopters(12 helos total)
Armament:
- 4 × 8 cell A-43 Sylver missile launchers
- 2 × 6 cell Sadral Mistral launchers
- 8 × Giat 20F2 20 mm cannons.
Elevators: 2

The Charles de Gaulle, R91, is meant to have a service life of in excess of 40 years. Every 6-7 years she requires a 15 month refit where her nuclear reactor is refueld.

What's in the Box:
Heller is a French model making company. They do most all of the French modern naval ships in the larger scale and you simply cannot find them with Trumpeter, Dragon, Airfix, or the other model makers in 1/350 scale. So, if you want to build a larger scale French Carrier group (as I do) then you deal with heller and their 1/400 scale vessels. so that's what this is. it is Heller's Kit #81072, Charles De Gaulle, R91.

Heller does a good job with its models. Earlier, they had a bit of an issue with larger sprues and moldings with some excessive flash and not as clean a finish. But over the years they have overcome that and now produce some very good moldings that are free of flash and are quite detailed. The Charles De Gaulle fits that latter category.

Inside the box, you find that the hull is a single, well detailed piece, as is the flight deck, both molded in a light grey. A lot of small details that would otherwise come as small parts in a newer kit from Trumpeter are molded into the larger pieces. You find this quite a bit in the island structure too. So, not as many parts, actually 152 parts altogether on six sprues.

There are two sprues molded in light grey in one bag full of aircraft and other fittings. The airwing included consists of 12 Rafael M fighter/bombers, 8 Super Eternard attack aircraft, 2 Dauphin helicopters, and 2 E-2C AEW aircraft for 24 aircraft in all, each one fo them a miniature model itself. This is sufficient for my needs. There are four other sprues in another bag, also modled in the same light grey, full of other sensors, the island structure, details, props and rudders, the stand etc. Also included is a sheet of 38 international nautical signal flags, chord for rigging, and an excellent water slide decal sheet with 55 decals that give extensive and complete flight deck mrakings, island markings and hull markings, including the waterline mark. The instruction book is very extensive and intuitively easy to understand (as shown above).This is a full hull model, which is what I build anyway, but if you want to build a water line version, you will have to cut the hull accordingly to make it.

The model itself is 26" long (so over 2 ft), and is about 6 1/2 inches wide. With the mast, it will stand nearly 9" tall.

Here's the box and its contents, including the dcal sheet.





The instruction booklet is quite detailed.



This looks like it is going to be a fun build, and for a complete carrier and its airwing, a failry quick build relatively speaking. I intend to use some Tom's Model Works 1/400 scale railings, and may put a hanger deck and lighting system in there...we will just have to wait and see.

I have been looking forward to building the French Carrier Group for some time, even if it is in 1/400 scale. I believe she and her Lafayette FFG Escorts and a couple of DDGs will go well together. I just wish there were the more modern Horizon and FREMM models available in 1/400 scale, and hope at some point Heller comes out with them soon.

Tally Ho!


SCHEDULE for Future Activities - November 12, 2013
  1. By Dec 31, 2013: Complete the French Carrier Group centered on Heller's Charles de Gaulle with two FFGs and a DDG.
  2. By Feb 31, 2014, Start the Russian Carrier Group centerd on Trumpeter's Kuznetsov with two DDGs and an SSN.
  3. By Apr 31, 2014, Start the US Navy Amphibious Ready Group centered on the Gallery USS Wasp with an LHD, an LPD, a DDG, a SSN and a LCS.
  4. By Jun 31, 2014, Start the PLAN Amphibious Ready Group centered on the Trumpeter Type 071 LPD-999, with a FFG, and three DDGs.

The completion of the PLAN Carrier group was centered on the already completed Trumpeter's 1/350 scale PLA Navy's Aircraft Carrier CV-16, Liaoning, (in addition to the other escorts already completed) included Mini Hobby's's PLAN Guangzhou, DDG-168. I recently pre-ordered a 1/350 scale model of the PLAN Type 071 LPD, Yuzhao Class, announced by Trumpeter and due out in October, 2013. I will end up adding two of those, propbably LPD-998 Yuzhao and LPD-999, Jinggangshan, add the PLAN- DDG-139, Ningbo, and the PLAN DDG-115, Shenyang, along with the PLAN Weifang, FFG-550 and thus build a PLAN ARG.

The completion of the US Carrier Strike group was centered on the completed Tamyia's 1/350 scale USS Enterprise, CVN-65, (in addition ot the other escorts already completed) included Trumpeter's, USS Freedom, LCS-1, Dragon's USS Preble, DDG-88 and Hobby Boss's USS Texas, SSN-775. When a 1/350 scale USS Enterprise, CVN-80 (or any Gerald R. Ford Class) is released from Trumpeter, Tamiya, Dragon, or whomever else, I will add it to this group along with another AEGIS Cruiser. Whichever Ford Class coms out in 1/350 scale, I will build it as the USS Enterprise, CVN-80.

The US ARG will include Tamiya's 1/350 scale, USS Iowa, BB-62(which I have already completed), Trumpeter's 1/350 scale USS Iwo Jima LHD-7, Gallery's 1/350 scale USS Sommerset, LPD-25, Bronco Models 1/350 Scale USS New York, LPD-21, Cyber Hobby's USS Independence, LCS-2, Acadamy's 1/350 scale USS Rueben James, FFG-57, and another Flight IIA US AEGIS class detroyer based on Trumpeter's 1/350 scale USS Lassen, DDG-82...all of these models which I already own.

The completion of the UK Group featured the Airfix 1/350 scale HMS Illustrious, R06as its centerp[iece until a 1/350 scale Queen Elizabeth carrier is released. When that happens, I will add that carrier to the group as its centerpiece. The Roylal NAvy CSG will also include two Airfix 1/350 scale Daring Class DDGs (one of which is already completed), two Trumpeter 1/350 scale Type 23 HMS Duke class Frigates (one of which is already completed), and the Hobby Boss 1/350 scale HMS Astute SSN (which is also already completed) and Airfix 1/350 scale HMS Tragalgar SSN. One day, when a 1/350 scale HMS Ocean LPD come out, I will use tt to start building a Royal Navy ARG.

The French CSG will be centered on Heller's 1/400 scale Charles De Gualle (which I already own). I have purchased the 1/400 scale Heller French De Grasse, D612 DDG, which is an ASW DDG, the French Duquesne, D603 DDG which is an anti-air multi-purpose DDG, and the French Aconit F713 FFG and Gueprattet F714 FFGs, both of which are Lafayette class frigates. These five vessels will round out my French CSG. As soon as a French Robin class nuclear sub, like the French Perale S606 SSN is released in 1/350 or 1/400 scale, I will add that to the group. Also as soon as the Forbin D620, Horizon class anti-air DDG is released in 1/350 or 1/400 scale, I will purchase two of them and replace the De Grrasse and Duquesne with them, and then save those two for when a Mistral Class LPD is released in 1/350 or 1/400 scale so I can create a French ARG with those vessels.

The completion of the Japanese JMSDF group was centered on Fujimi's very finely detailed, 1/350 scale Hyuga, DDH-181. It will be escorted by Trumpeter's 1/350 scale DDG-177, Atago, an AEGIS class DDG and the JMSDF, DDG-174, Kongo class (which I own), Trumpeters's 1/350 scale DDG-114 Susunami and DDG-111 (both of which are Takinami Class DDGs which I own), and by the 1/350 scale SS-503 Hakuryu (which I own), one of Japans new, very modern and capable AIP Diesel Electric submarines. As soon as a DDG-115 Akizuki in 1/350 scale is released, I will add it to this group. Should a 1/350 scale Osumi Class LPD be relased, I will buy two of those vessels and create a JMSDF ARG.

Then, finally it will be a complete Russian CSG (centered on Trumpeter's Kuznetsov which I own) the Russian Slava Class cruiser, Varyag by Trumperter (which I own), two Trumpeter 1/350 scale Udaloy DDGs (which I own), Hobby Boss's Akula II class SSN (which I own), and the new Yasen class Russian SSN which I own in 1/350 scale. Some time in the more distant future when a 1/350 scale Russian version of the French Mistral class comes out (which is building in real life right now), I will add two of those and build a Russian ARG.

Recently I purchased Heller's 1/400 scale Foch, the Clemceau Class carrier that was sold to the Brazilians in 2000 and in 2002 was refitted and became the Brazilian CV, Sao Paulo, using steam catapaults. I will build the model as the Sao Paulo and thus start a Brazilian group, though the Type 22 DDGs and the FFGs the Brazilians use are not available at present. I have however purchased a set of 1/400 scale A-4 Skyhawks and S-3 Trackers to build a suitable airwing for the Sao Paulo.

Then, again, once the models are available, I'd like to build an Italian Carrier Strike Group centered on the Cavour and their Horizon DDGs, a Spanish Carrier Strike Group centered on the Juan Carlos and their F-100 AEGIS FFGs, and ultimatly an Australian Strike Group centered on the new Canberra Class LPD and the Hobart class AEGIS DDGs. If they ever build the models, an Indian Carrier Strike Group centered on either the Vikramaditya or their new ADS Carrier, the Vikrant, and their Kolkata class DDGs and Shivlak class FFGs would also be nice.

Years more worth of work!

You can see all of these actual carriers, read their histories and specifictions at my site:

WORLD-WIDE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

...and most of their surface escorts at:

AEGIS AND AEGIS-LIKE VESSELS OF THE WORLD

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:55 PM

Thanks Jeff. That does look interesting and the airwing looks good.

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Posted by Jeff Head on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 5:04 PM

You're very welcome.  

I will be updating over the next good while each week on my progress.  

The French carrier group is my next target in my modern 1/350 scale Aircraft Carrier Strike Group project (exceot that the CDG of necessity had to be the Heller 1/400 scale).

I have already completed a US Group centered on Tamiya's USS Enterprise CVN-65, a Chinese group centered on Trumpters PLA Navy LIaoning CV-16, a Royal Navy group centered on Airfix's HMS Illustrious R06, and a Japanese group centered on Fujimi's IS Hyuga, DDH-181..

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Posted by Jeff Head on Monday, November 18, 2013 11:45 AM

Next session:

The Build: Hull, Sponsons, Flight Deck, Island - November 18, 2013

The hull is a one piece hull for this vessel, and includes the stabilzors fins modeled into it. I painted the entire hull to start in light ghost gray from Model masters. I will use this color for all vertical surfaces.

Then, I put together the prop shafts and supports and the rudders, gluing them to the hull. Then I painted the lower portion of the hull the light hull red color that came with the model.

There are numerous sponsons located along either side of the hull. Most of these are single piecesa but some require assembly. One of them included a couple of ship's launches which just show the lower sections of their small hulls. I gathered all of these, painted them appropriately, assembled where necessary, and then added them to the hull.

The build of the main hull is proceeding fairly rapidly and straight forwardly. At this time I decided to glue the flight deck, which I had painted in a MOdel Master dark ghost grey, to the hull. In doing so, I decided to forego any hanger deck scratch build and just build the vessel out of the box. Using rubber bands and clamps I was able to obtain a good fit and let it sit overnight so the glue could set.

After doing this I did a little touch up paint and added the missile launchers. The Charles de Gaulle carries two installations of 16 Sylver missile launchers, on to starboard forward, and the other to port and more aft. Once these were in place, I then began to build the Island.

The island is a fairly good assembly, but goes together well. I put together all of the radaromes, other sensors, yard arms, etc. and got them all on there. I then began the tedious job of painting the bridge and other windows on the island that allow the crew to monitor the flight deck operations and conditions around the ship and associated with its navigation, There are over a hundred such windows on this vessel and I have gotten perhaps half of them pianted to this date. As that dried, I did a dry fit of the island on the flight deck and took a picture of it.



She's looking pretty good! with that distinctive Charles de Gaulle, "Island Forward," look. In the next week I hope to complete the island, complete adding the life rafts, crans, and other sensors and weapons systems around the deck, add the decals to the hull, and hopefull get the decals added to the flight deck as well.

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Posted by Jeff Head on Monday, November 25, 2013 10:45 AM
The Build: Life boats, more weapons, decals, and photo etch railings - November 25, 2013

Well, with this session, to begin with, I had many life boatrs to build, as well as the anti-submarine warfare rocket launchers and other weapons systems in addition to the VLS anti-aircraft missile launchers I had already placed. Also, the crane needed to be built and placed, and the rest of the many windows on the island needed to be painted. I did all of this as the pictures below attest. The life boats were painted in flat white. The hook on the crane an engine gray, while the crane itself is light ghost gray.

During that session I also painted the stand and the name plate.

Then it was time to add the decals. There area lot of decals for the flight deck of the vessel. Every stripe and mark available. Many of these were relatively long and would easily rip or tear...or in the case of the main landing area, also easily bubble, if placed as delivered on the decal sheet. In such instances, I usually cut the long decals into thrids or fourths for placement, and then run them up against each other on the cut line for alingnment. I did that in this case and spent several days placing them all and letting them dry appropriately, including the decal for the name plate.



Once those decals were set, I then used Model Master's Decal set to help thm better adhere and meld to the surface. After that dried well, I added the initial coat of dull caot to help with the decal edges. More dull coat will be applied when the model is complete, without the air wing, and then a third coat after the airwing is all placed on deck.

At this point it was time to place the photo etch railing, and the photo etch main radar. For the railing, I used a set of Tom's Model Works three and four bar railing for 1/350 scale as it appeared a good fit, and the Photo Etch is somewhat more sturdy than the 1/400 scale sets available. Besides...hehehe...I had the 1/350 set already purchased and painted from another model/. For the main radar on the Sialnd, I used a radar set I had left over from one of my other 1/350 scale modern warship sets.

The Island had the radar and significant railing, and then the various sponsons and secondary decks around the hull also needed the photo etch railings.

The largest amount of railing, in terms of length, was required for the long sponsons along the port and starboard sides down at a level just below the height of the elevator openings into the hanger deck. This is a unique sponson and deck that I have not seen on any other carrier outside of the Charles de Gaulle. However, placing the railings there, in addition to the other areas, really makes the vessel stand out as can be seen.



She's really looking good now. The next week will be spent in assembling the air wing, painting the various aircraft, along with the deck handling equipment, and then adding all of that to the flight deck and elevators. This is really a critical part of making an overall aircraft carrier model really stand out. The Charled de Gaulle air wig consists of Rafael M strike fighters/attack aircraft, Supoer Eterdard attack aircraft, E-2C AEW aircraft, and Dauphin helicopters.

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Posted by TD4438 on Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:26 AM

Looking good.

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Posted by Jeff Head on Monday, December 2, 2013 12:56 PM

The Build: Airwing, touch up, Completion- December 2, 2013

The airwing for the Charles de Gaulle consists of Rafael M strike fighters, Super Etendard attack aircraft, E-2C AEW aircraft and Dauphin ASW/SAR helicopters. The aircraft supplied by Heller are passable...but they are not very well detailed and are lacking when it comes to landing gear and any external stores. But they are fair representations of the airwing and so building them and adding them to the carrier...as well as painting them to help with their overall representation...is a must.

The assembly of the parts is relatively straight forward. For the Rafaels, the only thing required is to glue the tail onto each aircraft. The delta wings and the small canards are modled into the aircraft. For the Super Etendards, it is the same, except the tail section included the horizontal stabilizors. For the E-2Cs you glue on the large radome (which is overally thick for this scale aircraft...I looked at using the much better and more detailed Trumpeter 1/350 scale E-2Cs, but they were in fact too large). Once the radome is added there are two props..again, overly large and thick. Finally, there are the two Dauphin helicoptes. You glue a decent horizontal stabilizor on, and then the main rotor, which, again, is overly thick.

Once the gluing was done, it was time to paint the aircraft. I painted all of the aircraft an agressor gray overall. Then, for the Super Etendards, I came back and used a gull gray to paint a camouflage pattern very similar to what you see in the actual photos of these aircraft on deck. After this it was Black for the canopies and portions of the stubs being used for landing gear that represented the tires, a gun ship gray for the jet exhausts for the Rafels and Super Etendards, and for the air intakes on the Etendards, and finally I used an aluminum for the folded wings I created on one of the E-2Cs. This was donw by cutting the wings at the fold mark and then glueing them in place on top of the wing. The adjoing edges were painted aluminum.

In addition there are two large deck tugs, four medium sized deck vehicles, and one small vehicle for pulling weapons trailers. All of these were painted yellow, with black tires, and aluminum bumpers.

Here's how that task went.

Once that was complete it was time to place the decals on all 24 aircraft. The kit comes with a decent set of decals for the markings, which mianly consists of the French aircraft ensignia on each aircraft. In adidition, there were tow ensignia and "MArine" decals for each E-2C and the helicopters. I also placed the French ensignia on the side of each SUper Etendard, behind the main wing, between the trailing edge of the wing and the horixzontal stabiloor.

Once this was completed for all aircraft, it was time to arrange them on the deck of the carrier. I came up with the arrangement shown in the last photo of this section.

Once the aircraft had been completed and I knew the arrangment, I glued them to the deck.

all of these steps were toime consuming. Glueing the 24 aircraft together and letting them dry. Painting the aircraft the various colors and letting them dry inbetween each. Adding the very small decals and letting them dry and then applying decal set to those deacls after they were dired. And then finally, glueing the aircraft to the vessel, letting that dry, and then doing touch up paint and work to the vessel before adding the final two coats of dull coat over everything.

But the results are pretty nice:



And...here are a few close ups of the Island and the deck:

So, there you have it, the French Nuclear Aircraft Carrier, Charles de Gaulle,

Next I will build both French LaFayette Guided-missile frigates (FFG) together as two of the escorts for this carrier.

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Posted by Bocks Suv on Friday, June 9, 2017 11:41 AM

Thanks for reporting on this kit. I have a potential client who is considering it, but  we're wondering about the photo-etch parts. Do they come with the kit, are they available as after-mkt for this ship in this scale, OR do they need to pulled in from other sets (generic or similar era) and adopted per photos?

Are the aircraft workable or do you go blind prepping and painting? Decals???! 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, June 9, 2017 11:51 AM

Look at L'Arsenal for all French naval goodies in Heller scale.

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Posted by ddp59 on Friday, June 9, 2017 4:31 PM

Bocks Suv, click on this link  http://www.larsenal.com/PBSCCatalog.asp select 1/400 scale on left side if not selected already then select "fitting" & "planes:helicopters" on left side. select what you want from there.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, June 9, 2017 5:18 PM

Hmmm!

 It's nice to see her done .I am in process on mine now .That's the eight dollar one I wrote about sometime back  . As I build it I cannot help but notice , this ship will fit nicely into my conversion shop .

 That's when this vessel ( a second one , a glue Bomb ) and two other carriers get heavily modified into Liners for the " New " age . My " New " age will create ships that look and feel like ships , NOT floating Hotels on unweildy barges .  T.B.

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Posted by Bocks Suv on Friday, June 9, 2017 9:10 PM

So the P-E doesnt come in the Heller kit?  As the risk of sounding like a moron (or Le Moron), I'm not seeing fitting or planes/Helicopters on the pages. Can I just get 1/400 railings or is there a complete P-E set for the Chas DeGaulle AC? Merci!

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Posted by Jeff Head on Friday, June 9, 2017 9:53 PM

Bocks Suv

So the P-E doesnt come in the Heller kit?  As the risk of sounding like a moron (or Le Moron), I'm not seeing fitting or planes/Helicopters on the pages. Can I just get 1/400 railings or is there a complete P-E set for the Chas DeGaulle AC? Merci!

 

No, there is no PE detail kit for this model.  I used 1/350 scale railing and sensors from other kits (purchased an additional Illustrious kit and used left overs   from others).  I also used the 1/400 scale aircraft that came with the kit.  They are not bas and include E-2Cs, Super Etenards, and Rafales with a cpuple of helos.  Not as detailed as the 1/350 scale Trumpetr aircraft...but I looked at those and the extra size was too noticable.

Here are a couple of pics of the kit that shows off how the PE and aircraft went:

Sorry you are not seeing the pics on this page, they are working for me fine.

Here is a link to a Flickr Album I have showing all of the pics:

Flicr Album of Heller Charles de Gaulle in 1/400 scale

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Posted by Jeff Head on Friday, June 9, 2017 10:05 PM

Bocks Suv

Thanks for reporting on this kit. I have a potential client who is considering it, but  we're wondering about the photo-etch parts. Do they come with the kit, are they available as after-mkt for this ship in this scale, OR do they need to pulled in from other sets (generic or similar era) and adopted per photos?

Are the aircraft workable or do you go blind prepping and painting? Decals???! 

 

See my response just above.

I used other PE kits and left over parts from other kits for this model.  They were 1/350 scale, though there are 1/400 scale railing kits available.

I used the aircraft that came with it, patined them up and added the decals.  Used the E-2s, the Rafales, the Super Eternards, and the helos.  Not as detailed as the 1.350 scale aircraft you can get...but those were simple too large and it was noticable.

The decals are pretty good for the kit.

All in all it is a very worthwhile kit.  I did not build out the hanger and put a lighting system on it like I did with my Ronald Reagan re-fit of the Trumpeter Nimits:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/173536.aspx

But it turned out fine just the same...at least for me.

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Posted by Bocks Suv on Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:33 PM

No, I meant that I couldnt see the pages at the L'Arsenal website that perhaps sold the PE I'd need. Your pics look fine, you did a great job on the AC, details and planes. I'll ship around for some generic 1/400 railings and cobble together the other fine bits that I can research and verify on web photos.  Do you know if the CDG has a sister ship or 2, or something close in her class? It would help me to Google more than one ship. Thx 

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Posted by ddp59 on Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:36 PM
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Posted by Jeff Head on Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:01 PM

Bocks Suv

No, I meant that I couldnt see the pages at the L'Arsenal website that perhaps sold the PE I'd need. Your pics look fine, you did a great job on the AC, details and planes. I'll ship around for some generic 1/400 railings and cobble together the other fine bits that I can research and verify on web photos.  Do you know if the CDG has a sister ship or 2, or something close in her class? It would help me to Google more than one ship. Thx 

Originally they were goign to build two new carriers...but the French decided after building the nuclear powered CDG, and having had cost over runs and then significant problems after launch, that they would only build one.

So they have a single carrier.  There is always talk going on about DCNS building a second, non-nuclear carrier...but it has come to naught so far.

The British of course are building two new carriers.  non nuclear, and with a ski-jump instead of cats, but larger than the CDG and very modern and capable carriers which will carry the new 5th generation F-35B aircraft.  They will be powerful carriers.

I am really excited about the prospect of a 1/350 scale model of the QE class...nd am really surprosed that one has not shown up on the market yet, especially that Airifx has not introduced aa kit.

The other I am even more excited about is a 1/350 scale Ford class nuclear US carrier model.  The 3rd in class is going to be what I build...whichever model come out first because it will be the USS Enterprise, CVN-80.  When a Ford class kit comes out, I will immediately buy one and build the next Enterprise.

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Posted by Jeff Head on Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:06 PM

ddp59

Well  said.

With the Brazilians announcing the retirement of the Sao Paulo, A12, (which was the Foch sold to Brazil in 2001 or so when the CDG became operational), both of the Clemceauu carriers are indeed going to be in retirment.

Those two carriers were decent ships, flying the F-8 crusaders for a long time, and ther Brazilins talked about modernizing the Sa Paulo until they build a new carrier of their own, or have DCNS build it for them.  They were going to upgrade some S-2 trackers to modernize them for AEW work, and they were going to buy Sea Grippens from the Swedes...But they have decided it is too expensive.

I built the Sao Paul...here:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/164933.aspx

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