Rigging on USS Arizona

Let me respond to both posts at once. Yes, the image is public domain and not copywritten. However, someone, somewhere has to PAY to keep that image on the internet. You have a Facebook account (for the same of argument - I happen to not have one), they make money off of selling advertisements to you to justify the cost of hosting that image. The owner of Navsource comes from a long Navy family and identified a need nearly 20 years ago - he pays for that site out of his own pocket to keep those ship histories and photos online. Regardless of copyright or public domain, somehow that image is being paid for.

So, I'm not saying you should not embed images in web sites - it's a very powerful tool. I'm just saying consider the web operator in this equation. if the photos are copy written, then there are legal issues with you saving and then "re-homing" an image so that you can - it's best just to say something like "you can find a drawing here." Less chance that the owner will find out and file a take-down notice that will break the post in the future and possibly get you in some trouble.

If it is *not* copy written though, the best thing to do is to save a copy and upload it to a free image hosting company such as Imgur or PhotoBucket - they will then give you a unique URL for that image you can paste in to a post to in effect do the same thing, but it on THEM to pay for it now and not the other operator. Best-best thing to do is re-home and then say "I found it here" so the web site operator still gets a nod.

It adds a layer of complexity to things, for sure, but like I said, we almost lost two good websites because of it and it affects countless others. It's not something that gets taught with any "internet basics" course, but it is a "good citizen" thing to do.

But no animosity on my side.

One thing I will say about rigging.  Even in 200 scale it is hard to find thread that is actually to scale. It will almost always be too thick.  So, we have to reduce visibility of it.  Avoid high contrast colors (White or black.  The transparent monofilament helps. Otherwise use a medium gray to reduce contrast and give a sense of a smaller wire.

Tracy White

it's best to link to the original site at least so that the operator has a chance to make what ever compensation they're looking for.

Thanks for the information about linking.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it,  you are saying it is best to

post only the hyperlink to the web page without posting any data from the web page? 

I found that diagram on a web search using Bing. It seems that is was in the public domain or something. I will delete it, of course. I didn't know that it was some kind of piracy, my sincere apologies.

Lee

That "source" is me - the drawing you embedded was one a friend of mine found at the San Francisco National Archives branch. What I was more objecting to is that you embedded the image in this thread and didn't link back to my page/site. Which means, unless I change the name on it every time someone loads this thread, it counts against my monthly data totals. It will do that if someone visits my page as well, but since I have a banner add on that page, I have a chance to "recover the cost" of my hosting fee. Since it's a small site, I make enough with the banner ads to cover the cost of the hosting, but such embedding of images nearly killed the Navy Historical Center (Now Navy Heritage & History Command) and Navsource - it's best to link to the original site at least so that the operator has a chance to make what ever compensation they're looking for.

For those who look for rigging diagrams for ships in general - be aware that as ships were complex things, the (US at least) Navy didn't have one rigging diagram. There were diagrams for the different cables and stays, so making an overall diagram for a ship or class would take a lot of research time and cost. Not saying it shouldn't be done, just that it's harder to do a complete set than you might imagine.

Thank you for the info the diagram you found is a great help.

Tracy White

Hey subfixer - not cool. I have to pay for that bandwidth! Here's where he found that drawing.

Sorry Tracy, your source is much better. If I could have found it in my search I would have included it instead. It was all I could find.

Lee

also, another I forgot to mention. published by Kagero #16018 super drawings in 3D. my wife found it on Amazon, but the site is:

www.kagero.pl

Hey subfixer - not cool. I have to pay for that bandwidth! Here's where he found that drawing.

going to attempt rigging next weekend. get the "squadron at sea" book #34001 by David Doyle.

this is only my 2nd attempt(2 yrs in progress) of building a ship, my friend "tankerbuilder" has helped me a lot!! in my opinion, if you have any questions contact him. he'll be happy to help you!!

What colors are you painting her?

Friedman, et. al's USS Arizona Ship's Data  (Leward Publications) and Doyl'e USS Arizona Squadron at Sea (Squadron)  both have plan and elevation drawings from which you can discern the rigging and halyards on the Arizona. 

The definitive resource may be Stillwell's Battleship Arizona - an illustrated history (Naval Institute Press).    There are similar plan & elevation drawings to above,  but drawn to a larger scale.   There are also many photos which show rigging details

In this blog, the author complains of the same problem, no rigging instructions. But he used photographic resources and completed the model to his satisfaction. Included in his blog are photos of his model and these show the rigging fairly well. You might want to check it out.

http://modelingmadness.com/review/misc/ships/us/robertoarizona.html