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1/400 DKM Deutschland

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  • Member since
    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:25 AM

The Dunkerque and Strasbourg are nice kits as well, but they also suffer from some of Heller's most egregious practices. For example, since John mentioned their Hood kit, the artisans at Heller did a fine job on the Hood's hull. It is beautifully proportioned, the ports are uniformly well drilled, and there is a fineness of detail not seen throughout the rest of the kit. It seems as if the hull and the rest of the kit is designed by different companies. The hull in all of their kits also contain metallic texturing whereas the superstructure parts are quite plain. It's as if the superstructure parts do not belong in the same box as the hull parts.

That said, I have seen beautiful models built from these kits. It can be done. I just wish that the artisans at Heller would be more consistent in their approach to kit design.

Bill

  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:36 PM

My recollection is that the Heller German ships are, in terms of detail, somewhere in the middle of what the company was capable of doing.  The best Heller WWII warship kits surely were the French battleships - the Richelieu and Jean Bart.  And the worst were the British ones.  (The Hood was a real dud.) 

I hear the modern French ships are also nice.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, March 23, 2014 6:50 PM

Felix,

I agree. It's just so irritating that Heller would put so much effort into creating such nice hulls but put so little work in the superstructures. I have enjoyed building these kits, though. I like the scale, and I like the selection of ships. It's just so hard to display them next to the Tauro Italian Zara class cruisers of the same scale because the Italian kits are so much better.

  • Member since
    September 2009
  • From: Miami, FL
Posted by Felix C. on Sunday, March 23, 2014 5:47 PM

Heller kits are old, big and without any detail. But they are inexpensive and provide a good basis for detail. I built mine before the wood deck craze. I sourced PE and barrels from inexpensive sources. You know what I mean.  

Good luck with yours. There are some OOB to very nice Lutzow's about the Net for ideas and inspiration.

  • Member since
    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:47 AM

Unfortunately, this is common to all of their kits. But, the only one for which I have any issue with the hull is the Lutzow. Hence, I have to use the Graf Spee's hull. There are other features of the Spee kit that I will use as well, such as the funnel and the main gun turrets. But, this project will require a lot of after-market products.

Bill

  • Member since
    September 2005
  • From: Central Nebraska
Posted by freem on Saturday, March 22, 2014 10:36 PM

I don't have any Heller kits nor have I built any of their ships, so I cant weigh in on anything, but are the issues you raised common to all their ship kits or the two you are using?  I've built a couple of their planes and thought they were decent 1/72 scale kits with the exception of cockpit details. Also be sure to post WIP pics!

Chris Christenson

 

  • Member since
    April 2005
Posted by ddp59 on Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:59 PM

good thing i downloaded or got from other members the plans of the french coldwar ships from the french naval site before it went down. using the plans to do the 4 variations of the surcouf T-47 destroyers into the all guns, flagship, asw & aaw. also do corrections to the suffren destroyer i got off ebay.

  • Member since
    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
1/400 DKM Deutschland
Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, March 22, 2014 2:55 PM
Greetings all! I have begun a kit-bash of the Heller 1/400 DKM Lutzow and DKM Adm. Graf Spee to build the Deutschland as she appeared at commissioning. Basically, I have started with the Graf Spee hull and the Lutzow deck because much of the navigation bridge for the Lutzow is molded directly onto the deck instead of being in separate pieces. Also, the Lutzow hull and deck are far too narrow and pointed in the bow, so I have had to graft the Graf Spee foc'sle onto the Lutzow deck for the correct shape. This leads me to one of my frustrations with Heller. For the most part, their 1/400 scale hulls are exquisite, with excellent shaping and texturing, with better-than-average detail. The ports are well represented as far as plastic kits go. However, their superstructure parts are dull by comparison with poor to non-existent detailing. I simply do not get it! Why would that company neglect superstructure details? It simply does not make sense. While drilling out the ports on the hull, Heller leaves only molded on circles on the superstructure parts. Watertight doors are simply raised-line rectangles with no door details at all. This inconsistency saddens me about that company. So, I have ordered almost $150.00 worth of photoetch parts, brass gun barrels, and a wooden deck for this project. But, I hope that it will be worth it in the end! Would anyone care to weigh in concerning Heller 1/400 ship kits? Thanks! Bill
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