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Scale Ship Rigging and the Video reviews .

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Scale Ship Rigging and the Video reviews .
Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, March 28, 2014 7:19 AM
Hi : What I was writing mysteriously disappeared Hmmm . Now in answer to your answer in the new issue of the magazine when asked by Richard Strzalka from Puerto Rice , Aaron , on model sailing ship Rigging . You could've recommended using silk thread to rig the ship too .That is what is specified in the book Entitled , The Kriegstein Collection of 17th and 18th century ship ( Admiralty ) models . In there they discuss the finding of these rare models and some cases what was used to rig or re-rig them . Believe me . I have used silk thread for years even on modern ship rigging and it is great for winding into cable( rope ) for deck uses and such too . Now , Aaron , You need to learn to keep a straight face in those reviews. Tim , Great job , but , sorry no Monica are you ! you do a great job of keeping Aaron off guard though ! I enjoy those reviews so keep them coming . Now guys remember , if anyone asks . silk thread works best for sailing ship models and It can be used well on modern ships too .Just don,t forget to use beeswax to seal it after you get what type you want .It does come in different sizes .
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Posted by jtilley on Friday, March 28, 2014 1:54 PM

I wish the subject were that simple, but I'm afraid it isn't.  There's quite a bit of debate among ship modelers as to what the best rigging material is.

I happen to like silk myself.  Nowadays, however, it's hard to find - and next to impossible to find in the wide range of sizes needed to do a serious rigging job on a good-sized model.  A couple of sizes used to be available in good sewing stores.  For my little model of the frigate Hancock I bought dozens of spools of the smaller size, and spun them up on my primitive "rope making machine" into the dozen or so necessary sizes.  I don't think many plastic ship enthusiasts want to make their own rope. (I don't blame them; it's not particularly difficult, but it takes a lot of time.)  And nowadays silk is awfully scarce.  I haven't seen any in a sewing store for at least thirty years (in any form a ship modeler could use).  I've googled "silk thread" several times on the web, but haven't found a source that sells it in more than one or two sizes.  (If Tankerbuilder knows of such a source, I'd be mighty happy to hear about it.)

Fly-tying specialists sell a few sizes and colors of silk, and it's beautiful stuff.  It's also extremely thin.  It's great for 1/350 and even 1/700 warships, but not really practical for sailing ships on larger scales.  And I once asked a surgeon if surgeons still used suture silk; his answer was yes, but it only comes in relatively short lengths pre-bonded to needles.

The old-timers were fond of  linen thread, which, they claimed, was the only stuff that would last for generations.  I have my doubts about that,but good genuine linen is nice stuff all right.  Bluejacket ( www.bluejacketinc.com ) sells several sizes of it, and it's certainly good stuff - but the range of sizes is limited and it only comes in white.  You have to dye it yourself - and the dye injects its own problems of longevity.

About the only real rule I can suggest is:  don't use cotton.  It's flabby, disagreeable stuff, and is extremely hygroscopic - it shrinks and stretches, fast, with changes in the humidity.  If you do have to use cotton thread for some reason, for heaven's sake follow Tankerbuilder's advice and wax it.  (Unless you get some really fuzzy stuff, waxing shouldn't be necessary with silk or linen.)

Model Expo used to sell a big variety of sizes, and several good colors, of what it called "cotton-poly mix."  I've rigged a couple of models with it, and really like it; it genuinely looks like scale rope.  But lately the number of sizesand colors has shrunk a lot.  A small firm called Cottage Industry Models  sells something similar.  It's not cheap, but it looks great.  I've got an assortment of it on hand, though I haven't had a chance to try it out in any quantity yet.  One great feature:  Cottage Industry offers to make it in either right-or left-hand twist.  (For a ship built before about 1815, you want lefthand twist, aka cable-laid, for the shrouds and stays, and right-hand - aka hawser-laid - for most other lines.  For later ships, you want hawser-laid line everyplace.)

Bluejacket also sells nylon in quite a few sizes - all white.  At least one famous ship modeler,  the late Harold Hahn, used nylon almost exclusively for rigging.  But he just bought the smallest size he could get, and spun it up on his rope making machine (which made mine look like a crude toy).   The larger diameters, to my eye, don't look much like rope.

If I were tackling one of the big Revell or Heller kits, I'd probably buy linen from Bluejacket or the cotton-poly stuff from Cottage Industry.  One big bottom line:  don't expect your local sewing store or arts and crafts store to help much.

I'm sorry to make a seemingly simple topic so complicated - but I'm afraid I can't do anything about that.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, March 28, 2014 4:03 PM

I am using JoTika thread for my Victory. I took some advice and buy it as I need it. Since I'm on the upper gun deck, so far I've bought cable, messenger and gun tackle line, plus the needed blocks. Even that came to about $ 75.00, but I am reasonably confident I'll use it.

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, March 28, 2014 6:19 PM

What's that Jotika line made of, GMorrison?  I've never seen it, but Jotika has a fine reputation.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:34 PM

 I'm not too sure. The various online suppliers call it "hemp" but I'm sure that's a reference to the color.

It's either linen or a very smooth cotton. But its nice and tight and looks good.

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Sunday, March 30, 2014 9:57 AM

I checked the Jotika website.  It gives no hint of what the rigging material is. It's hard to believe that a quality company like that would sell cotton rigging line. My guess is that it's either linen or some sort of synthetic.

Unfortunately it's not a universal solution. Jotika sells it in nine diameters - most of them pretty big (as befits the company's large-scale kits).  I doubt that there are enough small sizes there for a 1/96 frigate or a 1/100 ship of the line.

I'd love to get my hands on a Jotika kit.  Unfortunately they're expensive - and hard to find.

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