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I've been trying to decide how to go about finding a suitable anti-fouling color to paint on my Minicraft. I know, it is somewhat of a guessing-game, but the final choice is still difficult. The TRMA makes 4 suggestions; the Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown has been discontinued, the Rustoleum 1967 doesn't seem to be available anymore by that #, and the Ravell and 4th choices are only sold in England and will not ship. All very discouraging! I did buy the Krylon Ruddy Brown (another off the shelf recommendation), but it looks too dark-brown to me. It looks dead! I want a color with life.
I've looked at many Titanic models on my computer screen but, I've been told that you can't trust the colors on a computer screen because of many factors, flash and lighting being just a couple. I was all ready to jump on the Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown but it is not to be found anywhere, so I decided to borrow a giant "color paint chip catalog" from my local paint shop. It is ture that the colors change dramatically in different light (depending on the time of day, from a very nice Brick Red to what looks like a dark spot on the page) This makes me wonder if a lighter red (almost to the point of being pink woudln't be best) Any thoughts on this problem would be greatly appreciated..............
I believe the correct color is in the Brick Red part of the spectrum, but can anyone help steer me in the correct direction? ie. dark red, pinkish red, ... (red bricks are many colors!)
Tamiya Hull Red is pretty red.
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Two comments. One - there is no "right" color for this job. There's plenty of room for individual taste and judgment. Two - I think the term you want is "anti-fouling." Unless, of course, the paint is intended to discourage chickens or geese.
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jtilley Two comments. One - there is no "right" color for this job. There's plenty of room for individual taste and judgment. Two - I think the term you want is "anti-fouling." Unless, of course, the paint is intended to discourage chickens or geese.
jtilley I think the term you want is "anti-fouling." Unless, of course, the paint is intended to discourage chickens or geese.
I think the term you want is "anti-fouling." Unless, of course, the paint is intended to discourage chickens or geese.
But John, what about goose neck barnacles?
Thank you so much for your help. You only wrote one little sentence, but THAT was all I needed, friend. .After reading your suggestion, I checked out several ships using Tamiya's Hull Red. Straight out of the jar, it was too dark for me, but one builder used 80% Hull Red mixed with 20% flat white and it was just fantastic!! ! There it was! Very close to what I was looking for. My first day on this forum and I'm already getting great help! I'll start with only 10% white but I really like the coral color (lighter than the straight red oxide)
Glad you came aboard.
Ration that man some rum!
Yes I've built a few with Rustoleum and Boxcar Red (sounds like a bad bottle of wine).
As John said, it really comes down to a matter of taste.
The rum sounds great! After this week.... I've earned it, believe me! Good thing I've already drilled the portholes! :-)
Krylon Rust Tough enamel is what I used. The little sticker/tag on the bottom of the can actually says RTA 9204 Ruddy Brown Primer. It seems to be a decent replacement for the Rustoleum.
You can get a pretty good idea of how it looks if you go back to the TRMA site and look at my build log. It should be one of the first threads in the model section....I just posted a couple of days ago so you shouldn't have trouble finding it.
That painting guide on the TRMA site needs to be updated now that Floquil is gone. Testors is releasing some of the more popular Floquil colors under the Model Master label, but they are acrylics....which I'm not a big fan of. And yeah.....the monitor you view the paint guide with will change the colors up something fierce. I tried mixing up some color for "canvas" and it varied from screen to screen. I finally got the color I wanted, but it's discouraging when you think you have it nailed and then look again and it's off a tad.
Matt
Rustoleum's "rust" colored primer pretty much matches by shade the color the bottom paint I keep on my boat.
Matt, I'm not sure how to find you on the site?? Maybe you could direct me......
What's interesting about the hull red color, is that, in Titanic's case, it's pretty much in the eye of the beholder. It becomes more of a matter of "what looks good" to you in the display case. I've seen everything from, Chinese red (generally on the Chinese models), to purple, to brown, to deep burgundy, to downright ..... (there's no other way of putting it) ...............pink!
I think my idea of what I want in my display case, might well be the Tamiya Hull Red with just the right amount of white to lighten it up a bit. (Maybe a drop or two) What I like about the Tamiya Hull Red is that it has a beautifully complex mixture of reds and browns, leaning toward the red side! I entend to sacrafice one bottle of Hull Red, by adding consecutive drops of white, until I have a number of choices. After foundering for a full two weeks on this, there is some sense of relief, that now, at least I have a positive course of action to land on a desired color.
Sorry about that. I should have attached a link before. I could swear I'd seen your user name over there and so I just assumed...that's what one gets for assuming. Sometimes I lose track of where I am and where other people are.
Here's my build so far...just shy of two and a half years into it.
titanic-model.com/.../dcboard.php
I've held off on posting the build progress here but the finished ship will definitely be put up here.
There is an article somewhere in the reference library that talks about painting for scale effect where they mention how colors will look entirely different when viewed from a distance. I believe there is a photo of the Queen Mary II where the hull actually looks blue due to the distance from which the picture was taken.
But.... you're right. The ship should be done as the modeler sees fit. Although I've seen some pretty disasterous paint work on the hull in the past...a high gloss candy red comes to mind, and the rivet counters tend to come out of the woodwork with pitchforks and torches (like they did for the Autorama looking hull that was posted).
It's good you are considering adding a bit of white to tone down the hull red. If you left it TOO red, it would take on more of a toylike appearance, especially in high gloss like I mentioned above.
Matt,
All of your colors look spot on to me.... How did you get your anti-fouling color to match the color of that candle in the background? Honestly, on my computer screen, they are exactly the same color.... Please let me know if they really are, or is my screen playing tricks on me. Your anti-fouling color looks very classic to what I've seen. It's close to what I think the Floquil, ATSF Mineral Brown looks, but I really don't trust the colors on my computer screen anymore. It leans to the brown side. I'm guessing that it has more red in it, if you look at it in person.
Your black looks great too. Did you drop a little grey primer in it, for scale effect? And, your yellow/gold color is just what I would want too....... really RICH!
Yes, I understand what you mean when you talk about going for scale effect... I don't want mine to look like a model.... I intend to do a "wash" of the hull after painting slightly off-black and ever so slightly, off-white..... There must be a slight bit of "sea-gunk" sitting in those hull plates and portholes! I'm not worried about the black, white and gold colors.... it's that that damn hull red that makes me nervous. LOL
But, I'll get it.
Your work sure looks CLEAN. Good job, Matt.
Pactra makes a color called Terra Cotta it seems to be a dead math for the color.
Sorry "Match"
:-) Far be it for me to correct your speling ha....ha....... thank you for that. I've heard someone mention it. I will take a look at it now........
Yes, "Terra Cotta" used to be the recommended color back in the "olden days" (like 15-20 years ago). I bought some way back when but by the time I tried to use it, for some reason, it was dried out...can't remember who was the manufacturer though.
Thanks Jim, for the compliment. One tool I highly recommend....Opti-visor with a 7X lens. That helps keep your lines and details where they should be.
I hate mixing colors for the airbrush, so any colors you see are pretty much straight out of the bottle. The hull is just Testors flat black and the yellow sheer stripe is just plain old yellow out of the little square bottles. The hull has been handled so much that the flat finish is sort of buffed in places so that changes the over all look.
You know, I never noticed the dead on match the candle was to my anti-fouling color. Too funny! In actuality, the candle is more of a pumpkin pie sort of color ( sorry...I hate using food to describe a color).
So pretty much everything there is straight out of the bottle except for my deck color and my canvas hatch covers.
Another problem: Pactra paint is no longer available. Testor's bought the company some time back, and discontinued it a few months ago along with Polyscale and Floquil.
Thanks for that. Amazing how many paints are unattainable on the market. I am confident that putting a little white in my Tamiya Hull Red will give a nice result...(I bought two bottles) but time will tell. I'm cautiously optimistic. I've had a lot of helpful comments, warning me, not to make it too "pink." So, I will add the white paint very sparingly.
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