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Revell Yacht America 1851 Rudder Stops

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, June 28, 2014 1:59 AM

Rudders in those days were held in place solely by weight keeping the pintles in the gudgeons.

Racing vessels having a different sort of schedule than merchant ships or military ships.  A six day race schedule being a bit different than a six month sea cruise--so a bit less impetus to retain  a rudder is a following sea tries to lift it out of its gudgeons.  That, and the racing community can get finicky about extra weight or extraneous gear aboard.

Fitting a tiller to the head of the rudder is a matter of some mortice and tenon work, with wedges or bolts to fix things in place..  Unlike a tackle-driven wheel, a tiller can be turned at differing speeds.  So, you can put the rudder over slowly, or smartly--not being limited by how much friction a wheel's drum can impart on the rudder line.  nd in racing, when the rudder needs to go over, it often needs to do so Right Now.  A tiller is very sure that way, and with no extra rigging or tackle belowdecks.

So, the preventer/protector lines might well be absent on America (except for when she would make an ocean crossing).  The travel stops for the rudder were likely the cockpit coamings.  

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 23, 2014 7:42 PM

I've got some drawings at home, and the Bluejacket instructions. The few photos I have are small and grainy.

I'll look at those. I can't imagine that the rudder was in any danger of unshipping- its post extended up through the hull. The tiller was in the cockpit. How far it could swing side to side I'm not sure, but it couldn't have been more than about 45 deg. each way.

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Posted by Lightbringer on Monday, June 23, 2014 7:04 PM

oh, the one link should be:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adler_von_Lübeck._Model_ship_05.jpg

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Posted by Lightbringer on Monday, June 23, 2014 7:01 PM

Thanks ... I am still not sure what you mean

and also I am not sure if I used the correct word ... maybe there is a better word

The following pics in the links show what I mean ...

these ships are with a tiller and do have these "security lines" which  are called in one of the pics "rudder stops" :

yachtpals.com/.../rubberstops.jpg

en.wikipedia.org/.../File:Adler_von_L%C3%BCbeck._Model_ship_05.jpg

What I mean are these lines which nearly all ships had to protect the rudder from beeing lost when lifted out of the  hinges ... sometimes they were ropes and sometimes chains ...

still there is the question what was used on the Yacht America ?

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, June 23, 2014 3:04 PM

The boat had a tiller, so I haven't seen a picture of those.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Revell Yacht America 1851 Rudder Stops
Posted by Lightbringer on Monday, June 23, 2014 11:27 AM

Just a small question for a modelling friend who is building this kit .

Did this ship have rudder stops ? Probably yes 

But how did they look like in 1851 ? On none of the old paintings or drawings and also none of the old photographies they can be seen ... already checked through the net and the book "The Low Black Schooner" ... but nothing

chanes or ropes hanging into the water on a racing yacht ? They can be seen as addition on a very few built model kits ... give a really nice detail ... but somehow do look wrong ... not probable ...

Maybe hidden ... but if hidden, where ? And how ? What was state of the art technology in 1851 ?

Thanks a lot for your facts and thoughts

Markus

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