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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, September 4, 2014 6:17 PM

Drew, ...

For one thing, I've never heard about "John F. Kennedy: War Hero" by Richard Tregaskis (1962), Lt. John F. Kennedy - Expendable!" by Chandler Whipple (1964), although I do remember reading a book about PT-109 by Tregaskis ...

But, I haven't read the Donovan book since I was a senior in High School in 1978 and I remember last reading Tregaskis' 109 book in the 7th grade .... and for the life of me, I don't remember reading anything like the 109 being hit three times by a Japanese shore battery and I don't remember anything in the Donovan book about the 109 being the flagship of the Squadron or that Jack Searles commanded the boat on one patrol ... so yes, a lot of what I saw in Domaglaski's book was news to me.

Especially when one considers that I don't like JFK and I think the 109 is an overdone subject ... Mr. Domagalaski opened my brain to things I, admittedly, did not know off the top of my head and held my interest while doing that.  

As for the PT BOAT FORUM ... You know that I have not posted there in a number of years, so I would not know what has been talked about the 109 there ...

My intent in my review of Mr. Domagalski's EXCELLENT book  was to show people that it had tons of information in it rather than saying "oh, it just rehashed everything .........."

I try to highlight the positives instead of beating an author to death ...

Garth

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Posted by Drew Cook on Thursday, September 4, 2014 10:07 AM

Garth,

Interesting and informative review of Mr.Domagalski's book, however -- I was rather surprised to learn that YOU were surprised by much of the information on PT 109 that you seemed not to have known about before reading Mr. Domagalski's new book.

Most all of your "I didn't know" or "opened my eyes"-type discoveries and information about PT 109 from Mr. Domagalski's book have long been covered by other books such as "PT 109 - John F. Kennedy In World War II'' by Robert J. Donovan (1961), "John F. Kennedy: War Hero" by Richard Tregaskis (1962), Lt. John F. Kennedy - Expendable!" by Chandler Whipple (1964), other books and articles, and several year's worth of innumerable discussions and revelations about PT 109 on the PT Boat Forum's message board.

This is not to denigrate Mr. Domagalski's book, or your review of it.  I'm sure I'll enjoy reading it, and I thank you for taking the time to write and post such a detailed review.    

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Friday, August 8, 2014 8:18 AM

I highly recommend it because it was well written and well researched and informative to the enth degree.  I don't feel I'm qualified in commenting on photos because a photo which I may feel is good - others might think is terrible.  That is something - I feel - that individual readers will have to decide ...

Maps, yes, there are several and, I think they are good - but - that is only my opinion ... I, again, feel that is up to a reader to decide - I'll say this; they were used in the right context and in the right places in the book and focused in on the area which was being discussed ...

The photos ... they were clear and sharp, most came from NARA and others came from PT BOATS INC.  I have seen all of them before .... but - my own gripe is that (and this is a criticism of the format of the book, not the author)  they were too small and grouped together in the center of the book.  

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, August 7, 2014 7:41 PM

Well thats a long review....Since you've posted it, I think it's fair to give some criticism.

It seems beside the point to recount what's basically the authors own story. It would be better to generally summarize what made it interesting, ie you as an expert learned things that you did not know which suggests it is well researched.

I'd also like background on the author, which I assume is not in the book itself as its not an autobiography.

It would be more accurate to describe the color as in contention than to draw any conclusions. After all the crew was split two-two.

Does it have good maps? Photos that haven't been seen before online?

So why do you highly recommend this book? You are an expert on the subject, there must be something at a level that it took yourself to understand.

I'm sure iId buy it, Red Fay being a hero of mine.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by BigJim on Thursday, August 7, 2014 6:04 PM

Is this any better?

I highly recommend this book and here's why: A Review of Into the Dark Water: The Story of Three Officers and PT-109 by John J. Domagalski, published by Casemate Publishers Review by T. Garth Connelly Earlier this summer, I heard about this book and even though I am not a huge PT-109 fan, I was intrigued about the book due to the fact that the book, apparently, give the reader a history of the famous boat before its final and most famous patrol.

A few weeks ago, I emailed the publisher and asked if they would contact Mr. Domagalski and ask if he would contact me via email because I wanted to ask him some questions about the book so I could speak about it intelligently on my website. Apparently, at the same time I was typing and sending my email, Mr. Domagalski was sending an email to me. His email praised my own books, which surprised me, and asked me if I would be so inclined as to review the book and post it on my website. I agreed to and the publisher sent me a review copy.

The reading of the book started straight away. The first thing the author did, which I thought was/is a good move was to describe how the boat was rammed and sunk by the IJN Amagiri. Doing so grabbed the reader's attention. Then, he described, briefly, the early PT boats. I think that was a good idea too, inasmuch it gives the idea of where the 109 came from. Next, the author gave the reader an overview of both officers (Rollin Westholm and Bryant Larson) who proceeded Kennedy as skipper of the boat, such as Rollin Westholm was a graduate of the Naval Academy and was a professional naval officer and not a reservist like Bryant Larson and John F. Kennedy, as were a lot of the PT officers.

Westholm remained on active duty until 1964. During the later stages of the war, he commanded the Destroyer, USS Bush, which was heavily damaged by Kamikaze planes off Okinawa in 1945. As an aside, Chip Marshall told me that when the US gave South Korea the PTs 613, 616, 619, and 620, it was Westholm who trained the South Koreans on how to use the boats. Mr. Larson left active duty after the war and remained in the Reserves until 1956, ultimately reaching the rank of Lieutenant Commander. In his sixties, he earned an advanced college degree. As everyone knows, John F. Kennedy became President in 1960.

However, from reading this well written book, I leaned that these three gentlemen were not the only skippers of the boat. Two other men were skippers of the 109. Her original skipper, until it was time to leave Panama for the Solomons, was an officer named Kempner. Another officer named Allan H. Harris commanded the boat between Westholm and Larson and before Kennedy.

Mr. Domagalski gave the reader a little torpedo boat history as well, which as the reader will discover, goes back to the time of the American Civil War and involved such vessels such as the CSS David and the locally acquired steam launch (by the Union Navy's Lt. Cushing) which sank the Confederate Ironclad Ram, CSS Albemarle with a spar-torpedo. He also told his readers how the Italian MAS Boat, MAS-15 sank the Austro-Hungarian Battleship, Szent István. This was a nice touch, in my opinion, because it gave the reader the knowledge that PT boats or Motor Torpedo Boats were not an invention to be used in the Second World War.

The author stated something that I was never aware of. That was the 109 was the squadron's flagship while Westholm was squadron commander and her skipper. He also enlighted me as to what the famous PT boat's first action was like, which I found very interesting to say the least. Another event in the book was how PT-59 while skippered by a hero of mine named Jack Searles, torpedoed and sank the Japanese submarine I-3. I learned something that I never knew or even realized and that was Jack Searles actually skippered the 109 on one patrol. I also learned that, under Westholm, the boat fired two torpedoes at a Japanese Destroyer and missed, and that, on another mission, the boat's crew destroyed some Japanese supplies by gunfire.

I never knew that the PT boat was damaged in battle. That occurred when a Japanese shore battery put three holes into the boat. So, one could say that, before being commanded by the future President of the United States, the boat was a battle-scarred veteran. She also freed, over two missions, three PT boats which ran aground, those boats being the 40, 48 and the 115. It should be noted that PT-48 is still in existence and available for sale in New York.

Most people think the 109 did not have radar before her loss. Technically speaking, that is true, however, an experimental fitting of a radar unit was tested on the boat. The set was an aircraft radar unit from a wrecked PBY. Its array was fitted to the boat's bow. Apparently, it was successfully tested, but drew too much power and it was removed before Kennedy arrived in the Solomons. I have heard about this radar being on the boat, but this is the first time I have seen it being stated in a book.

That gave another dimension to that boat that I don't think most people actually knew. From reading this book, I learned that Ensign Leonard Thom actually became the boat's executive officer before Kennedy assumed command of the boat. I always, apparently wrongly, thought Thom reported to the boat after Kennedy.

The book also told me something that I never knew and that was Kennedy was assigned, unofficially, as the executive officer of PT-47. Presumably, this was done to give him time getting acquainted with the area, the squadron's activities and the like. I found that information to be interesting because that was the first time I've ever seen it in print anywhere.

Another thing from the book that was interesting to me was that Al Cluster was not squadron commander when Kennedy arrived, he became squadron commander after Kennedy arrived in the area. Because of the movie and other books I've read throughout my life, I came away with the impression that it was Cluster who assigned the 109 to Kennedy. Thanks to the book, that, I now know, apparently was not the case. Something from the 1963 film that I always enjoyed but always considered to be a 'myth' was when Kennedy rammed the pier as they were racing with another boat to get refuelled first and destroyed a shed on the pier. That incident was included in this book, so, was that incident myth or a reality. Frankly, now, I'm leaning toward reality.

There has been quite the debate over whether or not the boat was gray or green. In fact, back in the mid-1980s, the then surviving four crew members of the boat sent me letters (and three of the four letters were handwritten and all four were lengthly), two of the gentlemen said that the boat was a gray on her last patrol and the other two said that she was green, and one of them even went so far as to say it was Olive Drab. In two places in the book, I found two places where the author stated the boat was painted a green. Once was while the boat was under the command of Westholm and the other was while Kennedy had command of the boat. That instance was during the time when the boat was drydocked to repair one of the boat's rudders. The passage stated the boat was painted a dark green, which dovetails to what one of the crewmen told me, i. e.: Olive Drab. That description leads me to believe the boat was painted in what was known as Navy Green, which as I've been told, is close to Olive Drab.

Another controversy which was put to rest, at least for me, is how the 109 lost its port-side mounted (on the foredeck) depth-charge. I have seen it being described as happening when the boat was pulling away from the USN Destroyer, after being given a pump by that ship and the Destroyer 'bumping' the boat, dislodging the depth charge. As I read it in the book, a wave hit the boat, caused the port forward torpedo to come out of its tube and smashing into the depth charge and causing it to crash through the deck and into the crew's compartment below. But, it is still not clear if that depth charge was replaced or not.

How the book further described the ramming and subsequent sinking of the boat opened my eyes more. For instance, I always suspected but didn't know for sure, but when Kennedy had the 37mm M3 anti-tank field piece to the foredeck, the boat's life raft was removed to make room for the gun. Contrary to what Dr. Robert Ballard has indicated, the boat did split in two when it was rammed. The collision knocked the 37mm gun off of the foredeck and left it dangling off the side of the boat and in the water. The crew of the boat had to abandon ship when the forward section of the hulk rolled over. It took the survivors four hours of swimming to reach the first island they swam to, Plum Pudding Island and after a few days, Kennedy moved them to Olasana Island. And, yes, Kennedy did tow the wounded 'Pappy' MacMahon behind him.

From reading other books and from watching the 1963 movie, I always thought and believed that Regniald Evans was the only Coast Watcher who helped to find and rescue Kennedy and his crew after the ramming. That was not the case, originally, there was another Coast Watcher involved, Frank Nash, but it was Evans who helped to effect the rescue. Additionally, from reading Mr. Domagalski's excellent book, I discovered that the natives connected to the Coast Watchers had more of a role in the search and rescue of Kennedy and his crew than what is reported in other books and in the movie. In point of fact, it was the natives who found some debris from the boat, which included a letter written by crewman Raymond Albert, and brought it to Evans, who then contacted the US base at Rendova.

After the rescue, Kennedy was given command of a PT boat which was being converted into a gunboat, that boat was PT-59. His executive officer, Leonard Thom, was given command of PT-61, which was also being converted into a gunboat. He died in an auto accident in 1946. While in command of the 59, Kennedy was sent to rescue and evacuate a Marine unit on the island of Choiesel. This mission was harrowing because the boat did not have a full fuel load and had to be towed back to base. On the way back to the base, a gravily injured Marine died in Kennedy's bunk. Most people, thanks to the movie, think the rescue occurred while Kennedy had the 109, this book definitely shows that this was not the case.

I thoroughly 'enjoyed' the book, inasmuch I learned things that I never knew and when I finished it, I walked away pleased that I had learned something from the book. I think readers will feel the same way and based on that feeling, I highly recommend this book to anyone who is interested in PT boats and their history. The book is 280 pages, with 16 photos and retails for $29.95 and is available at www.Casematepublishing.com, www.amazon.com and I presume at brick-and-mortar bookstores. Again, I highly recommend this book.

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, August 7, 2014 1:58 PM

I just tried to edit it, BigJim.... What I did didn't take.  Sorry................

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, August 7, 2014 1:49 PM

When I cut and pasted it from my word processing program, it was ... I'm sorry guys.

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Posted by BigJim on Thursday, August 7, 2014 1:34 PM

PTC,

That would be much easier to read if you could break it up into smaller paragraphs.

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New Book on PT-109 by John J. Domagalski
Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, August 7, 2014 10:53 AM
I highly recommend this book and here's why: A Review of Into the Dark Water: The Story of Three Officers and PT-109 by John J. Domagalski, published by Casemate Publishers Review by T. Garth Connelly Earlier this summer, I heard about this book and even though I am not a huge PT-109 fan, I was intrigued about the book due to the fact that the book, apparently, give the reader a history of the famous boat before its final and most famous patrol. A few weeks ago, I emailed the publisher and asked if they would contact Mr. Domagalski and ask if he would contact me via email because I wanted to ask him some questions about the book so I could speak about it intelligently on my website. Apparently, at the same time I was typing and sending my email, Mr. Domagalski was sending an email to me. His email praised my own books, which surprised me, and asked me if I would be so inclined as to review the book and post it on my website. I agreed to and the publisher sent me a review copy. The reading of the book started straight away. The first thing the author did, which I thought was/is a good move was to describe how the boat was rammed and sunk by the IJN Amagiri. Doing so grabbed the reader's attention. Then, he described, briefly, the early PT boats. I think that was a good idea too, inasmuch it gives the idea of where the 109 came from. Next, the author gave the reader an overview of both officers (Rollin Westholm and Bryant Larson) who proceeded Kennedy as skipper of the boat, such as Rollin Westholm was a graduate of the Naval Academy and was a professional naval officer and not a reservist like Bryant Larson and John F. Kennedy, as were a lot of the PT officers. Westholm remained on active duty until 1964. During the later stages of the war, he commanded the Destroyer, USS Bush, which was heavily damaged by Kamikaze planes off Okinawa in 1945. As an aside, Chip Marshall told me that when the US gave South Korea the PTs 613, 616, 619, and 620, it was Westholm who trained the South Koreans on how to use the boats. Mr. Larson left active duty after the war and remained in the Reserves until 1956, ultimately reaching the rank of Lieutenant Commander. In his sixties, he earned an advanced college degree. As everyone knows, John F. Kennedy became President in 1960. However, from reading this well written book, I leaned that these three gentlemen were not the only skippers of the boat. Two other men were skippers of the 109. Her original skipper, until it was time to leave Panama for the Solomons, was an officer named Kempner. Another officer named Allan H. Harris commanded the boat between Westholm and Larson and before Kennedy. Mr. Domagalski gave the reader a little torpedo boat history as well, which as the reader will discover, goes back to the time of the American Civil War and involved such vessels such as the CSS David and the locally acquired steam launch (by the Union Navy's Lt. Cushing) which sank the Confederate Ironclad Ram, CSS Albemarle with a spar-torpedo. He also told his readers how the Italian MAS Boat, MAS-15 sank the Austro-Hungarian Battleship, Szent István. This was a nice touch, in my opinion, because it gave the reader the knowledge that PT boats or Motor Torpedo Boats were not an invention to be used in the Second World War. The author stated something that I was never aware of. That was the 109 was the squadron's flagship while Westholm was squadron commander and her skipper. He also enlighted me as to what the famous PT boat's first action was like, which I found very interesting to say the least. Another event in the book was how PT-59 while skippered by a hero of mine named Jack Searles, torpedoed and sank the Japanese submarine I-3. I learned something that I never knew or even realized and that was Jack Searles actually skippered the 109 on one patrol. I also learned that, under Westholm, the boat fired two torpedoes at a Japanese Destroyer and missed, and that, on another mission, the boat's crew destroyed some Japanese supplies by gunfire. I never knew that the PT boat was damaged in battle. That occurred when a Japanese shore battery put three holes into the boat. So, one could say that, before being commanded by the future President of the United States, the boat was a battle-scarred veteran. She also freed, over two missions, three PT boats which ran aground, those boats being the 40, 48 and the 115. It should be noted that PT-48 is still in existence and available for sale in New York. Most people think the 109 did not have radar before her loss. Technically speaking, that is true, however, an experimental fitting of a radar unit was tested on the boat. The set was an aircraft radar unit from a wrecked PBY. Its array was fitted to the boat's bow. Apparently, it was successfully tested, but drew too much power and it was removed before Kennedy arrived in the Solomons. I have heard about this radar being on the boat, but this is the first time I have seen it being stated in a book. That gave another dimension to that boat that I don't think most people actually knew. From reading this book, I learned that Ensign Leonard Thom actually became the boat's executive officer before Kennedy assumed command of the boat. I always, apparently wrongly, thought Thom reported to the boat after Kennedy. The book also told me something that I never knew and that was Kennedy was assigned, unofficially, as the executive officer of PT-47. Presumably, this was done to give him time getting acquainted with the area, the squadron's activities and the like. I found that information to be interesting because that was the first time I've ever seen it in print anywhere. Another thing from the book that was interesting to me was that Al Cluster was not squadron commander when Kennedy arrived, he became squadron commander after Kennedy arrived in the area. Because of the movie and other books I've read throughout my life, I came away with the impression that it was Cluster who assigned the 109 to Kennedy. Thanks to the book, that, I now know, apparently was not the case. Something from the 1963 film that I always enjoyed but always considered to be a 'myth' was when Kennedy rammed the pier as they were racing with another boat to get refuelled first and destroyed a shed on the pier. That incident was included in this book, so, was that incident myth or a reality. Frankly, now, I'm leaning toward reality. There has been quite the debate over whether or not the boat was gray or green. In fact, back in the mid-1980s, the then surviving four crew members of the boat sent me letters (and three of the four letters were handwritten and all four were lengthly), two of the gentlemen said that the boat was a gray on her last patrol and the other two said that she was green, and one of them even went so far as to say it was Olive Drab. In two places in the book, I found two places where the author stated the boat was painted a green. Once was while the boat was under the command of Westholm and the other was while Kennedy had command of the boat. That instance was during the time when the boat was drydocked to repair one of the boat's rudders. The passage stated the boat was painted a dark green, which dovetails to what one of the crewmen told me, i. e.: Olive Drab. That description leads me to believe the boat was painted in what was known as Navy Green, which as I've been told, is close to Olive Drab. Another contraversy which was put to rest, at least for me, is how the 109 lost its port-side mounted (on the foredeck) depth-charge. I have seen it being described as happening when the boat was pulling away from the USN Destroyer, after being given a pump by that ship and the Destroyer 'bumping' the boat, dislodging the depth charge. As I read it in the book, a wave hit the boat, caused the port forward torpedo to come out of its tube and smashing into the depth charge and causing it to crash through the deck and into the crew's compartment below. But, it is still not clear if that depth charge was replaced or not. How the book further described the ramming and subsequent sinking of the boat opened my eyes more. For instance, I always suspected but didn't know for sure, but when Kennedy had the 37mm M3 anti-tank field piece to the foredeck, the boat's life raft was removed to make room for the gun. Contrary to what Dr. Robert Ballard has indicated, the boat did split in two when it was rammed. The collision knocked the 37mm gun off of the foredeck and left it dangling off the side of the boat and in the water. The crew of the boat had to abandon ship when the forward section of the hulk rolled over. It took the survivors four hours of swimming to reach the first island they swam to, Plum Pudding Island and after a few days, Kennedy moved them to Olasana Island. And, yes, Kennedy did tow the wounded 'Pappy' MacMahon behind him. From reading other books and from watching the 1963 movie, I always thought and believed that Regniald Evans was the only Coast Watcher who helped to find and rescue Kennedy and his crew after the ramming. That was not the case, originally, there was another Coast Watcher involved, Frank Nash, but it was Evans who helped to effect the rescue. Additionally, from reading Mr. Domagalski's excellent book, I discovered that the natives connected to the Coast Watchers had more of a role in the search and rescue of Kennedy and his crew than what is reported in other books and in the movie. In point of fact, it was the natives who found some debris from the boat, which included a letter written by crewman Raymond Albert, and brought it to Evans, who then contacted the US base at Rendova. After the rescue, Kennedy was given command of a PT boat which was being converted into a gunboat, that boat was PT-59. His executive officer, Leonard Thom, was given command of PT-61, which was also being converted into a gunboat. He died in an auto accident in 1946. While in command of the 59, Kennedy was sent to rescue and evacuate a Marine unit on the island of Choiesel. This mission was harrowing because the boat did not have a full fuel load and had to be towed back to base. On the way back to the base, a gravily injured Marine died in Kennedy's bunk. Most people, thanks to the movie, think the rescue occurred while Kennedy had the 109, this book definitely shows that this was not the case. I thoroughly 'enjoyed' the book, inasmuch I learned things that I never knew and when I finished it, I walked away pleased that I had learned something from the book. I think readers will feel the same way and based on that feeling, I highly recommend this book to anyone who is interested in PT boats and their history. The book is 280 pages, with 16 photos and retails for $29.95 and is available at www.Casematepublishing.com, www.amazon.com and I presume at brick-and-mortar bookstores. Again, I highly recommend this book.
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