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How are Museum models holding up?
Posted by BigJim on Friday, August 8, 2014 5:21 AM

It has been far longer than I care to remember since I was at the Mariner's or Smithsonian museums. As a young lad, I was always impressed with the ship models on display. I was wondering how well these models have held up through the ages?

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, August 8, 2014 1:36 PM

I think there were two ship models in museums that I saw that impressed me most, and stuck with me thru the years: 1) USS Arizona I the Arizona Memorial, and 2) an Essex Class carrier I believe that I saw in the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry some 40+ years ago.

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, August 9, 2014 9:26 AM

Of course, most museums have staff that can properly clean and repair models, so sometimes they last so long just because they have proper care.  While I have never seen them personally, I remember a photo essay of some ship models made by prisoners during the Napoleonic wars.

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Posted by EdGrune on Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:15 PM

There used to be an article on the Nautical Research Guild's website containing the US Navy's specification for ship models.   The NRG's website has been reorganized and it isn't there anymore.

Among the precautions;  Lead Rot -  white metal fittings can and will turn to powder.   Brass is the preferred material.    Resin - the product is too new and untried over the long run.  Photoetch -- not for rails, possibly for gratings (IIRC).   CA glue -- also too new.    Go with tried and true adhesives.

The Arizona and Akagi at the Pearl Harbor Visitors Center are still very young.   The Arizona is less than 10 years old.  The Akagi is newer than that by a couple of years.  Both were built to high quality specifications.    Many Babcox & Wilcox builder's ship models from the 30s are still in fantastic shape.    The 1:48 scale USS Lexington at the Hampton, VA air & space museum was in pristine shape.   Lines taut,  no separations or delaminations seen.   The airwing was something different -- but they were after-thoughts.

Most museum ships are in sealed or environmentally controlled cases.  Dust is generally not a consideration and they are not subject to inquisitive finger pokes.  

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Posted by jmcquate on Saturday, August 9, 2014 3:42 PM

If your going to DC, make sure to schedule a visit to the museum at the Washington Navy Yard. Very impressive collection of ship models including a 1:48 scale USS Missouri.

www.navsea.navy.mil/.../show_02.aspx

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Saturday, August 9, 2014 4:49 PM

In San Diego the steam ferry "Berkeley" museum ship has a whole lot of ships from the Washington Navy Yard that are on loan on display.  Some of then are quite large and where builder models.

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:50 PM

I hope Ed is right about most museum models being kept in cases and/or controlled atmospheres. I don't have any statistics, but I'm afraid he may be mistaken.

A lot of people have big misconceptions about how a maritime museum works - especially regarding ship models. I found that out when I got a job as a curator at the Mariners' Museum, way back in 1980. Believe me, there's no big staff watching out for, and working on, the models. So far as I know, nobody on the current staff of that museum has ever built one.

Three staff positions (or possible staff positions) in a well-run museum have something to do with models: the curator, the registrar, and the conservator. The curator is the "subject matter expert" of the museum. In a history museum, he/she will typically have an advanced degree in history; in an art museum the degree will be in art or art history. The registrar takes care of the artifact collection, and is responsible for making sure that the artifacts are stored in a safe, approved manner. The conservator's job is to work on the artifacts - restoring and repairing them as called for. His/her professional training typically will be in physics and organic chemistry. Only a handful of American educational institutions offer degrees in conservation. They produce a few dozen graduates per year - only about half of whom find jobs in the field.

The vast majority of museums don't have conservators on their permanent staffs. In the state of North Carolina, which has lots of museums (and where I live now), I'm aware of three museums with conservators on site: Tryon Palace State Historic Site, the North Carolina Museum of History, and the North Carolina Museum of Art. (Tryon Palace may have lost its conservator position recently, due to staggering budget cuts.) Most conservators are free-lancers, who are hired by museums (and private individuals) on a contract basis.

I'm aware of five maritime museums that actually do ship model conservation, in-house, on a regular basis: the Smithsonian, the Naval Academy Museum at Annapolis, the National Maritime Museum in London, the Nederlands Schipvaart Museum in Amsterdam, and the Prinz Hendrik Maritime Museum in Rotterdam. (I'm sure there are a few others.) I suspect the conservators at those museums are kept busy most of the time working on other types of artifacts.

I got hired at the Mariners' Museum for (I think) three reasons: I had a Ph.D. in history (with a specialty in naval history), I was willing to work for peanuts because I desperately needed a job, and I knew something about ship models. Nobody else on the museum staff did. I was the "assistant curator in charge of three-dimensional artifacts." (There were two other curators - one in charge of the full-size boat collection, and one in charge of paintings and other artwork.) Shortly after I got there, my boss (who had a Ph.D. in American Studies) taught me the basics of the theories of conservation. During the next three years (until I reached the point where I couldn't afford to live on $14,800 per year), I worked on quite a few of the museum's models, doing restoration, cleaning, and repair work. My two biggest projects involved the museum's collection of large-scale builders' steamship models and the infamous Crabtree models. I also got to work, for about an hour, on the museum's one Napoleonic POW model. (That was just about the most neurotic hour of my life.) The project I'm most proud of was a major restoration job on a 1/25 scale model of a lightship, built in 1876.

I may be mistaken, but so far as I know nobody has touched any of those models since - other than to move them from one place to another.

The MM has pretty good environmental controls in its galleries and storage areas.  In my day, at least, every model on exhibit was in a glass case. The hundreds of models in storage were kept on metal shelves, generally in the dark (that's good, conservatorially speaking), with sheets of feather-light clear plastic draped over them.

Back in the 1940s through the 1970s the Smithsonian built up a huge collection of ship models, largely due to the influence of the late, great Howard I. Chapelle. He collected lots of old models, and commissioned quite a few from the likes of Donald McNarry and Robert Bruckshaw.

The first time I went to the Smithsonian, in 1967 I think, hundreds of models were on exhibit. The thinking of exhibit designers has changed since then. The Smithsonian now has a "hall of maritime enterprise," which has a few dozen fine merchant ship models in it, and a big exhibition on American military history, which has a few. That grand old 1/48 model of the Missouri, known and loved by generations of model enthusiasts, is gone now - presumably in storage. Most of the models Chapelle had collected or commissioned also were put in storage, and made available on loan to other museums. (I got Donald McNarry's superb 1/92 Constitution for the MM. I don't know whether it's still there or not; it wasn't on exhibit the last time I visited.) The good news is that the Smithsonian's storage facilities are state-of-the-art in terms of environmental controls; I'm sure those models are well cared for.

I haven't been "back stage" at many other maritime museums. I have the impression that the Navy Museum in DC has a fine collection and good exhibition techniques. (There's a Curator of the Navy who has jurisdiction over all three-dimensional artifacts and artwork owned by the Navy.) I have the impression that the various museum on the west coast and the Great Lakes take good care of their models, but I don't think they've caught up in terms of environmental controls. I hope I'm mistaken about that.

I've seen some pretty awful sights in maritime museums. In 1978 I went to the Science Museum in London, and frankly I was appalled at how that place treated its magnificent ship model collection. In 1978 there apparently were virtually no environmental controls in that building. C. Nepean Longridge's famous HMS Victory was literally coming apart at the seams. The red dye in the banners of a French galley had faded to pink, due to improper lighting. As I understand it, the Science Museum has been redone since those days; I certainly hope so.

This post is way too long. Unfortunately, a lot of museums don't give their ship models the same priority they give to paintings and sculptures. I wish that weren't the case, but I'm afraid it is.

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Posted by jmcquate on Sunday, August 10, 2014 4:06 PM

The Missouri is on display at the Washington Navy Yard. The rest of the Navy's model collection is under the supervision of the Curator of Naval Ship Models at NSWC Carderock in Bethesda MD. Tours may be arrange by appointment only.

www.navsea.navy.mil/.../cnsm.aspx

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:02 PM

jmcquate

The Missouri is on display at the Washington Navy Yard. The rest of the Navy's model collection is under the supervision of the Curator of Naval Ship Models at NSWC Carderock in Bethesda MD. Tours may be arrange by appointment only.

www.navsea.navy.mil/.../cnsm.aspx

Would the models in the collection include those formerly displayed at the Chicago Science and Industry Museum or would they have been moved to Naval Training Center 
Great LakesHmm 
Perhaps I'll check with the MSI.
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Posted by jmcquate on Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:20 PM

Some are on loan to Great Lakes Naval Training Center. Don't know if they were in the S&I museum prior.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:54 PM

jmcquate

Some are on loan to Great Lakes Naval Training Center. Don't know if they were in the S&I museum prior.

Hopefully, the Chicago MSI staff will answer my question regarding the location of those models.
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I used to enjoy viewing them though I would be surprised if a visit would be possible at Great Lakes.
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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, August 10, 2014 7:19 PM

I went to the Museum of Science and Industry once; it had a fine, if not large, collection of ship models at that time. I knew a gent who'd been contracted to do some restoration work on them. That was a long time ago; I have no idea what the situation in that museum is now.

Models owned by the Navy are in a special category. The Navy sometimes loans them to museums. (That must have been the case with the Missouri model in the Smithsonian.) I don't remember the museum in Chicago well enough to comment on whether it was exhibiting any Navy-owned models. If so, I suspect they're either still on exhibit there or back in the Navy's hands - or on loan to somebody else.

My observation has been that the Navy generally takes excellent care of its models - and all its other artifiacts. I had one experience with the Curator of the Navy. The Navy agreed to loan the MM some artifacts from the USS Monitor. When a museum borrows an artifact it's general practice for the borrowing institution to carry insurance on the artifacts for the duration of the loan. I called the Curator to find out what dollar value he wanted us to assign to the artifacts, so the registrar could notify the insurance company. The Curator's response, sensibly, was "they don't have any monetary value." (How do you put a value on an old lantern that's been on the bottom of the sea for over a century?) I told him I needed a figure to give the insurance company, and asked plaintively, "what to we do if one of those artifacts gets stolen?" His answer was, "call the FBI." As I remember, we never did talk him into putting a dollar value on the stuff.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, August 15, 2014 8:54 AM

Sadly, I have to concur with you :

Many years back ,when I lived in San Francisco, I went to the Maritime Museum there .There were many nice models on display .The " yard " model of the OREGON was falling apart though.

    When I inquired as to her health, a nice younger man,was introduced to me as curator of artifacts ( All) in the Museum .I showed Him Minshipco's seventy- seven page project log-book, with photos of resto's and new builds I had done .

   When I inquired again about the unfortunate model he sadly replied ," We neither have the space in the shop down-stairs nor the environmental controls that California requires of us, to work on old brass and lead content solder on these models ".

   He thanked me even after I told him I would do the resto for Free in my shop .He stated the Museum didn't have the money to round trip transport, a twelve foot model sixty miles . He assured me the board would NOT okay a free resto either !  So there's a story of how some have their hands tied in the museum setting .My hat is off to you Dr.Tilley for what you did .

     I have models on display that I built or rebuilt .I won't say where , but are in a great place for people to see them ! No, My name is Not prominently displayed either  ! They are in Minshipco's build -log book book though .Someday they will be seen, till then, folks, enjoy museum models anywhere.

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