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Aircraft carrier diorama
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 10:38 AM
Hi,
I am building a diorama of the carrier USS Constellation circa 1998 in 1/48th scale (not the whole thing!), and I just wondered if anyone knew:

a) Where I can get decent reference photos of the ship (online or in books), especially the details of the catwalks beside the flight decks?
b) If there is anywhere that I can get styrene rod/strip in various diameters for scratchbuilding? (Not Plastruct it is too expensive!).
Cheers,
James.

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:33 AM
The Connie still has her website open which has a lot of hangar deck pics and details during the decomissioning ceromony.http://www.navy.mil/homepages/cv64/noflash/media/photos/photo.htm

Squadron mail order carries Evergreen plastic which is what I use. They come is many thicknesses, shapes, and diameters and are fairly economical.

Scott

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 2:04 PM
Hey James, sounds like a good diorama. You couls also try http://navsource.org/ They
might be able to help a bit. Also, I was planning a few 1/48 carrier scenes myself and I was wondering how you are going to do the white dots on the deck surface? I could use some ideas.(on a side note: do you know what the white dots are!?..just curious)

Hope that helps.
Jake
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Posted by scottrc on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 3:06 PM
Also, I can't remember what issue of FSM it was, but there was a guy who did a 1/48 scale hangar deck of the Nimitz.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:15 PM
James,

After serving on three different carriers I would very much like to see what you are doing regarding an aircraft carrier diorama as I have considered doing one of them myself.

Great idea.

Regards,
Richard
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:36 PM
Hey Jake,

The white dots on the deck are sprinklers. They are the ships fire supression system on the deck.

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Posted by jimz66 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 5:50 PM
Those white dots are tie downs. That is how they secure aircraft to the deck. The crews put the fires out. Dont they?
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 6:04 PM
Here is a picture of those white dots in action onboard the USS Nimitz.



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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 6:33 PM
Cooooooooooooooooool

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Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 9:59 PM
Sorry guys, but this was funny...

What's the old addage?? A picture is worth a thousand words!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 10:31 PM
Ahhh! That explaines it. ALL I GOT WAS THE RED X ! Somebody explain it to me.
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Posted by jimz66 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 10:52 PM
Sorry guys I was wrong. I have studied carriers my whole life I never knew they had those built into the flight deck. Is that something new. I hae heard of a Nuclear washdown or something but I thought that came from the catwalks. How is that controlled? And I know this one, that is the Truman not the Nimitz. Nimitz is 68 Truman is 75. You cant fool me on that one.
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Posted by jimz66 on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 10:58 PM
You guys ever see that show were they were building the Reagan and Commissioning the Truman. It was an hour I think and if I remember right Roy Schneider narrated it. Anyway they did a four mile or four hour test I can't remember backwords at full speed. That was cool and then they did a steaper than normal turn toward one side or the other? Anyone else remeber that one. I think that one was better then the one the Carl Vinson that two hour show narrated by Martin Sheen.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 11:20 PM
Your right jimz66, it is the Truman. Well at least I got the class right :) I got the picture from a Nimitz pic gallery and did not pay attention to the ships number.

I beleive the sprinkler suppression system was brought on by the two carrier disasters during the Vietnam war (USS Forestal and USS Enterprise accidental discharge of weapons from the jets waiting for takeoff). Many sailors lost their lives in those two instances trying to control the blaze, alot of bombs cooked off in the fires killing alot of crewmen fighting the flames :(
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Posted by jimz66 on Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:28 AM
Well thanks for the info Lonh, hey can you point me to that gallery. And don't forget the Oriskany fire. I think they had one on that flight deck as well. I never knew about that system.
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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, March 4, 2004 6:57 AM
In 1987, the Ranger had all tie downs painted white, blue, red, green, and yellow. The Carl Vinson, in 1990, had all utility details such as sprinklers, hydrants, valves, and tie downs painted white. The reason for the painting was that they were designated as trip hazards or that they had to be inspected. Every airdale is told not to drag his feet. I was on both carriers during these periods. These details were painted after the refit but were later painted out black when the ship would have non-skid reapplied. What color you paint them just depends on the time the ship is in service and as we felt, the mood of the skipper. In the Navy, if it isn't moving, it's being painted, whether you have grey or black paint in the bucket, paint it.
When I did my model of the Ranger, I did her as she left San Diego just after her refit. She was really pretty with the black flight deck, all the details painted in white, but after 18 months at sea, everything was black, grey, or in red zinc primer.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 12:28 PM
Ahh, thanks scottrc.

So it is not just the sprinklers. I didn't know that.

Lon
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 12:36 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jake

Hey James, sounds like a good diorama. You couls also try http://navsource.org/ They
might be able to help a bit. Also, I was planning a few 1/48 carrier scenes myself and I was wondering how you are going to do the white dots on the deck surface? I could use some ideas.(on a side note: do you know what the white dots are!?..just curious)

Hope that helps.
Jake


Hi Jake,
I was always under the impression that the white dots were tie down points for securing the aircraft, but apparently they double as pressure washers! I will use photo etch parts from Toms Modelworks tomsmodelworks.com . If you have any other questions or info to share, feel free.
Cheers,
James.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 12:41 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by RSaddlemire

James,

After serving on three different carriers I would very much like to see what you are doing regarding an aircraft carrier diorama as I have considered doing one of them myself.

Great idea.

Regards,
Richard


Hi Richard,
Thanks for your support! If you know where I can get some detailed information on the Connie/good photos that would be much appreciated. I am really only in the planning stage of the diorama at the moment; I have virtually finished a Tomcat in 1/48th which will be one of four aircraft in the diorama. I am planning to put pictures of the planes and the diorama on the net at aircraftresourcecenter.com so keep your eyes peeled!!

All the best, James.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 1:08 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by JamesDGriffiths

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jake

Hey James, sounds like a good diorama. You couls also try http://navsource.org/ They
might be able to help a bit. Also, I was planning a few 1/48 carrier scenes myself and I was wondering how you are going to do the white dots on the deck surface? I could use some ideas.(on a side note: do you know what the white dots are!?..just curious)

Hope that helps.
Jake


Hi Jake,
I was always under the impression that the white dots were tie down points for securing the aircraft, but apparently they double as pressure washers! I will use photo etch parts from Toms Modelworks tomsmodelworks.com . If you have any other questions or info to share, feel free.
Cheers,
James.



Hey James,
Since you asked, how are the cables that tie the plane down attached to both the plane and deck? eg. a hook? a clasp?
I would like to tie down an adveserial F-14 (painted in the Flanker Blue and grey splinter pattern, which is why I would like the dots done well to add a sense of extra detail with the white dots on the dark ground) and I would like it too look tied down as accuratly as possable.

Hope you can help,

Jake
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Posted by diggeraone on Thursday, March 4, 2004 3:35 PM
It was the Ranger that the weapons the discharged,due to a sailor who smoked a cig in front off a sidewinder missle that was armed.The Connie was know as the bad luck ship and was going to be named the Constitution.The name was changed at Norfork navial yard when there were building it,due to a fire in the middle of constrution.Also part of the flight deck collapsed during constrution.It stay tied up alot in San Deigo Navail base in the seventys.They had alot of race roits on board and also work stoppages due to Civil unions strikes.The biggest race roit happen on the Kitty Hawk when it was tied up next to the Connie.DiggerSmile [:)]Cowboy [C):-)]Smile [:)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 3:44 PM
Hi James,

Unfortunately I did not serve on the ConstellationSad [:(] It was the Randolph (CVA-15), the Saratogs (CVA-61) and the Independence (CVA-63)Big Smile [:D] I did do a google search on the Constellation and found some photos that might be of use to youSmile [:)] The inputs you have received regarding the white spots is all good. The skipper determines what his ship is painted within reason. You know, I haven't heard a word about red lead in a long time (red primer). The wash down is not only for fire supression but is also engaged to decomtaminate the ship due to any ABC (atomic,chemical or biological) attack. Isn't it amaizing the wealth of information at you fingertips on a computer from this forumQuestion [?]

Hope I was a bit of help. Just remember there is a lot of knowledeg out there. Just ask for itApprove [^]

Richard
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 5:13 PM
The USS Forrestal incident was caused by a Zuni (2.75 FFAR) rocket set off by static electricity. Sen. John MaCain was aboard at the time. I cannot recall what set off the Enterprise fire but is was very bad. I do know that after the Enterprise fire, carriers would be equiped with water cannons capable of pushing whole jets overboard so the loaded weapons would not cook off on deck, which is what happened in both the Enterprise and Forrestal fires.

A cigarette will not set off a Sidewinder missile. A pilot must fire the weapon. It will not launch mearly because a heat source is in front of it. If it was armed and launched, then the culprit was the pilot. I don't know much about USS Ranger.

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Posted by jimz66 on Thursday, March 4, 2004 9:10 PM
Again you guys cant fool me with the numbers:

CV-59 Forrestall
CV-60 Saratoga
CV-61 Ranger
CV-62 Independance
CV-63 Kitty Hawk
CV-64Constellation
CV-65 Enterprise
CV-66 America
CV-67 John F. Kennedy
CVN-68 Nimitz
CVN-69 Dwight D. Eisenhower
CVN-70 Carl Vinson
CVN-71 Theodore Roosevelt
CVN-72 Abraham Lincoln
CVN-73 George Washington
CVN-74 John Stennis
CVN-75 Harry S. Truman
CVN-76 Ronald Reagan

Sorry to make a point but I am heated over this Commanche discussion on the Aircraft forum. I cant help it. No offense to any of you here. Like I said I have been studying the flattops since I was a little kid. I know them all by heart. At least the newe ones, not so much the older ones.
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Posted by jimz66 on Thursday, March 4, 2004 10:25 PM
Lonh check out this photo link below: is this thing in the lower right area that appears to be small and white sorrounded by a small black ring what you guys are refering too?


http://www.navy.mil/homepages/cvn75/photogallery/iraq%20freedom/flight%20deck%20sized/030323-N-9964S-518.jpg
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 5, 2004 8:59 AM
Jake,
To do the tie down chains I used the 1/48th scale Carrier Deck Diorama Set from flightpath (www.djparkins.com) which is kind of expensive but worth it! You get tie down chains, some wheel chocks, tow bars, tie down points and fine chain. You mentioned doing a Tomcat in splinter Flanker scheme - do adverserial aircraft fly on carriers or just from naval air stations? I expect one of the guys on here will know!
All the best,
James.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 5, 2004 5:46 PM
Hi jimz66,

I have never seen them up close. From what scottrc said, the dots are both the tiedowns and sprinklers.

BTW jimz66, here is the website link to that picture gallery.

http://www.fas.org/man/index.html

Lon
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