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Ship Bashers - This is for You

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Ship Bashers - This is for You
Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:55 PM

Okay ;

    Now here's a question for all you modelers of plastic Ocean Liners . Has anyone out there ever tried to do a kit bash that would result in a nice model of the Normandy ? I have come to realize what it would take .

      First ,and most importantly it would have to be in REVELL'S ubiquitis, " Box Scale that the Savannah and Brasil/Brazil was molded in . Yes , the Brazil was spelled both ways in and on the kit !

 First and foremost, Which hull would you base it on ? I tried it with the S.S.United States and she was definitely to narrow .The actual Normandy was really wider than the United States . I could be wrong ( Tracy , correct me here ) I believe she was a full 12-15 foot wider in her maximum beam !

 The few photos ,if you look carefully , show a stern more rounded at the absolute rear of the deck without the tuck in, that the Canberra/Oriana type had Later , diesel powered cruise ships For P. And O. Lines  ) , A tuck in that was prominent on older ships I am familiar with, like the Lurline/Monterey/Mariposa and the U.S.S. Dixie and U.S.S. Piedmont ( both service ships in the U.S.N.) Is anyone out there in possession of a Normandy model? Let's hear from you if you have one .     T.B.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, September 16, 2014 5:54 PM

Wiki lists the United States as 101.5 feet wide, and Normandie as either 118 or 119.5, I guess depending on how much caviar is onboard.

A big difference is displacement- 68,500 tons vs, 45,500 tons over the same length- kind of a "vache".

To my eye the United States has a lot of deck sweep fore-aft, not so apparent on the Normandie.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by onyxman on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:05 AM

I think a complete scratch build would be easier than turning any of these kits into a Normandie. 

Fred

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:18 AM

Well , Fred;

    There are times when this is Not possible. Budget is to tight to pay for plans and reduction there-of and don't forget the materials .When I tried it I was just out of Boot Camp .You know back when you got about 96.00 to 104.00 bucks a month

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:40 PM

Don't laugh, please. The best I can come up with is a heavy duty mauling of Bismark.

So if you scale the usual suspect in 1/350 down to 1/400, which is a good froggie scale, The various numbers aint so bad, and she has a pretty clean hull without a lot of sponsons etc.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:26 PM

Admiralty Modelworks is about to release a 1/700 resin Normandie. The price is steep, but you can choose between waterline and full-hull versions. The same company also offers a set of photo-etched deck chairs. You can see all three at www.hobbypreorders.com.

The merchant ship world has been badly served by the plastic kit manufacturers. The liners in plastic kit form can just about be counted on both hands. I can think of at least a dozen more that would make beautiful models.

I question whether bashing any kit hull into a Normandie would be much easier than making a hull from scratch. Lots of modelers seem to recoil instinctively from such a thought, but it's not as hard as you think. You could scrounge lots of detail parts from plastic kits and the aftermarket. And there are several good sources for decking material.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:52 PM

I agree, but Mr. Tankerbuilder seems to have established his own viewpoint.

I'm of the opinion that this would really be a difficult project.

Related subject- artifacts from the ship exist in a number of fine establishments.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:37 PM

Why would I laugh :

I've done worse .  T.B.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:40 PM

I will Agree :

Remember  I told you that I did a disasterous try years ago  .I was just wondering if anyone had tried it successfully . 1/700 might work , but the way my eyes are I don't think I could do it justice. There are modelers out there that I am sure would shock you , I and everyone else. Right ?     T.B.

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Posted by 2/20 Bluemax on Monday, November 24, 2014 10:17 AM

Jtilley, I just found this thread. so I'm a few months behind. You're right about lack of interest by kit manufactures in merchant, and passenger ships as well. I am currently scratch building a Danish immigrant ship model for my wife. No plans, a few old tintype photos from the late 1800's, and a few images of museum models in Norway, that's it. I don't expect models of obscure ships and the only people who seem to be interested in these old passenger ships are people doing genealogy research.

Jim

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Posted by seasick on Sunday, November 30, 2014 1:06 AM

I'm thinking more scratchbuild than kitbash.

Chasing the ultimate build.

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