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Posted by sharkbait on Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:13 AM

You have never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3!

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Monday, October 13, 2014 12:51 PM

Oh,  I see ...........but now I'm really confused: this passage from Wikipedia SEEMS to indicate that LIBERTYs were "included" in the C1 "range" ... I don't know, or care for that matter, like I said - my question was generated by a thought I had overnight out of boredom ... isn't that important............ Oh, wait - I read it wrong.  Sorry, my bad ... never mind.

From 1939 through the end of World War II, MARCOM funded and administered the largest and most successful merchant shipbuilding effort in world history, producing thousands of ships, including Liberty ships, Victory ships, and others, notably type C1 ships, type C2 ships, type C3, type C4 ships, T2 tankers, Landing Ship Tank (LST)s and patrol frigates. By the end of the war, U.S. shipyards working under MARCOM contracts had built a total of 5,777 oceangoing merchant and naval ships.

What was later known as the C1-A was among the three original cargo ship designs including the basic C2 and C3. The further developments included the C1-B which included minor changes and turbine engines, and then more radical departures for special needs to meet the exigencies of the war, including troop ships based on the C1-B. Deliveries of the C1-B began before the other models, in mid 1941.

The C series of ships differed from the Liberty and Victory ships. The first C series vessels were designed prior to hostilities and were meant to be commercially viable ships to modernize the US Merchant Marine, and reduce the US reliance on foreign shipping. The Liberty ships were a throwback to late 19th century British designs with reciprocating steam engines, but were very cheap to build in large quantities; Victory ships evolved from the Liberty ships but used modern turbine engines. The C series ships were more expensive to produce, but their economic viability lasted well into the late 1960s and early 1970s in military and merchant fleets. Several ships are still in operation.

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Posted by alross2 on Monday, October 13, 2014 12:15 PM

No, they were neither LIBERTY nor VICTORY; they were C1A hulls,  LIBERTYs were approximately 441' x 57' while C1As were approximately 413' x 60'.  Hull shapes were different as well.

Al Ross

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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, October 13, 2014 10:15 AM

navsource says c1-a.

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Monday, October 13, 2014 10:12 AM

Ah, OK.  Thank you very much.  So, they were LIBERTYs and not VICTORYs as I was trying to deduce.  Thank you.

Garth

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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, October 13, 2014 10:02 AM

i think you can.

USS Cyrene (AGP-13)

Laid down, as SS Cape Farewell, a Maritime Commission type (C1-A) hull under Maritime Commission contract (MC hull 891) at Pusey and Jones Corp., Wilmington, DE

SS John W. Brown

EC2-S-C1 (Liberty ship)

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AGPs
Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Monday, October 13, 2014 9:42 AM

Hi Guys,

How are you?  Hey - listen; last night I had a hard time going to sleep (the past few months have been stressful for me, family health issues and my inability to find a job and the like)...

So, I was lying in bed ... and something came into my mind; the late war AGPs (the ACOUNTIS and the CYRENE [I believe Don Rickles was a crewman on the CYRENE]) ...

Could you use the 1:350 Trumpeter JOHN W. BROWN as a basis for one of these ships?

I was just wondering .............

Garth

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