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"Bonhomme Richard" gun carriages
Posted by Johnef on Monday, January 26, 2015 9:50 AM
With so many knowledgeable modelers, here, I was hoping someone might know what color the "BHR" gun carriages were painted or if they were painted at all. Warmest regards, Johnef
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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:30 AM

I have never seen much reference material on the BHR, but normal practice was to paint the gun carriages red, usually with a red oxide paint.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Johnef on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 6:36 AM

Thank You Don. Looks like red it will be.

FYI: What I'm attempting to do is converting Heller's "Le Superbe" into the "Bonhomme Richard".

Using Jean Boudriot's reference material, I see that I will have to eliminate the copper bottom. I hope you, or any of the more experienced plastic modelers on this site, might have some suggestions on removing the plates. If not I may have to consider a waterline display. I look forward to any advice that comes.

Warmest regards,

Johnef

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 9:15 AM

Well, there is always sandpaper.  And you  don't have to get it looking too smooth.  Before coppering, bottoms were protected with "stuff."  This was a somewhat thick, gooey mixture, applied with brushes or trowels, and should not look like a spraygun finish.

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 2:44 PM

It's not likely that the BR was coppered - but not impossible either. The French and British navies were in the process of adopting the copper-sheathed hull at the time of the American Revolution. British warships got coppered as they came into ports with drydock facilities for refits. I don't know what policy the French had, but it doesn't seem impossible that they might have coppered the BR when they were converting her into a warship.

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Posted by Johnef on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:11 PM

My rational says the same although all the drawings, in Jean Boudriot's  BR book, show plank lines and he doesn't mention anything about Her being coppered.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:56 AM

Wasn't the BHR converted from a merchantman?  Few of them were coppered in that era- it was expensive at first.  Seems to me the Americans would not be floating in dough, so I think it unlikely they would copper her when they converted her.  I guess I do not know much of the history of that ship- did the French do the conversion, or did the Americans buy the ship and convert it?

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Posted by Johnef on Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:14 PM

The "BHR" was launched in 1765 and given a rebuild in 1772. The French crown became the sole owner in February 1779. Preparing Her as a warship began in March and lasted until May. The conversion was done by the French with input by John Paul Jones.

John, living on the beautiful St. Clair River

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