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1/350 USS Yorktown (CV 5) Build/WIP

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1/350 USS Yorktown (CV 5) Build/WIP
Posted by Mike F6F on Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:09 AM

Recently, my LHS gave me a deal on the new Merit International 1/350 scale USS Yorktown (CV 5).  The kit was packaged so nicely, I almost didn't want to begin pulling out the part bags.  I was impressed that the aircraft and all the photo etch was included in the kit so little, if any, aftermarket purchases should be required.

While this will be my seventh carrier model, and the fourth of the Yorktown-class model I've built, it will be my first in this scale and my first full hull carrier.

The Merit folks put lots of emphasis on the hull plating as you can see from these photos of their build of the model posted on their web site.

I decided to sand a lot of that detail down, but the Yorktown-class plating is visible if the light is right as you can see from this photo of Yorktown's sister ship Hornet taken in dry dock in 1941.

I tried to keep the sanding reduction consistent, but as the plastic around the bow began getting thin, I left well enough alone.  While emphasizing the hull plating, Merit didn't include the armor belt, so I added it using strip.  The strip is somewhat over scale which is a bit ironic after doing all the sanding, but I think it will all balance out.

As you can see from the Merit web site shots, the model has molded the small hatches on each stern quarter shut.  I decided to open them up.

The model is designed around the ship at Midway and I plan to stay with that time frame.  I'm going to attempt to represent the quickly patched-up Coral Sea battle damage Yorktown received at Pearl Harbor prior to her departure for Midway.  There isn't a lot of available photo evidence and the battle damage report sketches leave plenty of guess work left.

Gonna be fun, you bet.

Mike

 

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Posted by ejhammer on Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:30 AM

Nice start. I've only done 1/700 carriers, not done a 350 carrier yet - several in the stash - will be watching this with interest.

EJ

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, March 14, 2015 1:37 PM

Lookin' good Mike. I think the plating detail will look fine under a coat of paint. There's no doubt that this kit is worth the trouble - and the subject certainly deserves everything the manufacturers and the modeler can do for her.

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Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, March 14, 2015 7:58 PM

Mike,

This has always been one of my favorite ships, and I am glad that there is finally a decent kit of her.  It looks like you are doing a terrific job! I will follow this thread with keen interest!

Bill

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Posted by docidle on Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:49 PM

Mike,

Hope you don't mind me pulling up a seat on your WIP. My family gave me this kit for Christmas and I have been biting at the bit to start it...... I need to finish what I have going first! Looking good so far.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Mike F6F on Monday, March 16, 2015 9:47 AM

Mike

 

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Posted by Par429 on Monday, March 16, 2015 6:25 PM

Hey-

 Great!  Thanks for taking the time to post your progress.  I have started on mine as well, so I plan to follow along closely.  I have started to sand the hull, though I'm working slowly and not sure how far down I will take it.  

Thanks for the tip on the island, I'm still still researching the ship and it's nice to know about these little mods before I get to that point.  I usually find these bits after it's too late.

Thanks again,

Phil

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Posted by Mike F6F on Friday, March 20, 2015 10:47 AM

Mike

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, March 20, 2015 11:56 AM

Impressive work!

I have the lamented Tamiya 1/700 version of Yorktown, so I'll be following along to see what I can pick up from your build to improve her.

The island is looking very good!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Mike F6F on Monday, March 23, 2015 12:34 PM

I've started painting the hull and done some detail work.  With the hull painted, it looks like the sanding of the hull plates was about right.

I've had to fudge the boot top somewhat because Yorktown's was very wide.  I've started to work on the weathering and as it goes along I believe everything will balance out.  So often in my weathering of models the object is to blend colors.  This has been something new, weathering while trying to keep a sharp edge on the boot top.

The starboard side was much more weathered than the port side as can be assumed by some historic shots.

Trying to match the weathering is a challenge, and I intend to use an additional color on the underwater hull.  Looking at current color shots of ships in dry dock you can see a fair amount of yellow.  I'm not sure this is an underneath coat of primer used today or not.  I've got reference material to the WWII USN underwater hull painting procedures, so I'm thinking of checking that primer as a possible color.  I'll tone it down regardless.

This port view shows a cleaner boot top but I'm curious about a stain on the bow that you can see in this crop of the above photo.

Since there are so few photos of Yorktown during this period, it does give you some choices.

While I research and work on the weathering, I've been doing some batch work on other steps.  I've painted the island and gave the decks a quick brushing of Deck Blue.  Of course, everything will be touched up as the railings, etc., are added.

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Here's a couple of the 5"/.38 guns.  The kit uses 10 parts per gun.

And here's the 1.1 gun mount on the clip shack.

Still being fun you bet!

Mike

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:11 AM

This is really looking spectacular.

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Posted by cavalryguy on Tuesday, March 24, 2015 10:26 AM

Anyone have a good source to go to for pictures or drawings of the hangar deck on the carries Essex or Franklin?  Can't seem to find visual references to those areas. Thanks

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Posted by ejhammer on Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:18 PM

What years?

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by cavalryguy on Tuesday, March 24, 2015 3:44 PM

Franklin 1944

Essex early war

thanks

dan

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, March 26, 2015 10:08 PM

I posted Frankl

cavalryguy
Anyone have a good source to go to for pictures or drawings of the hangar deck on the carries Essex or Franklin?

I posted Franklin's post-war Damage report here, Plate 3 has a wee bit of a hint of structure but more so some of the hatches on the hangar deck. The Captain's report had some 8 x 10 photos of plans that I scanned in, but they weren't very large; Main Deck Structural Damage and Main Deck Fire show a little bit of the internal lateral supports that protrude into the deck space from the hangar deck bulkheads. Otherwise, I'd suggest the "Anatomy of the Ship - Intrepid" book as it has some decent drawings and is only about $15 right now.

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Posted by Mike F6F on Wednesday, April 1, 2015 1:50 PM

Returning to the Yorktown-class…

Here's the latest WIP shots.

You can see my work space, set up for 1/700th scale ships up to smaller 1/48th scale aircraft, is being somewhat overwhelmed by this kit.

I've installed the hull bulkheads and the gallery-level walkways.

While the hangar deck is detailed well, I've decided not to bother with the photo etch and whatnot on this deck.  I intend to mount the model in a case. Even with the hanger opened up, looking inside the hangar will be difficult from the case restricted distance.  I've painted the bulkheads white and I'll mount some aircraft in there, but I'll leave it at that.

Here's the fantail. I like the support pieces being separate pieces and that you can add the photo etch bits before mounting the flight deck. While much of the part  fit is good, as with any WW II carrier kit, all of this stuff must line up well to keep the flight deck level.  I've held off on some of the railings, etc. for the time being.

There are a couple of discrepancies with the model if you intend to open up the hangar as it was at Midway.  The kit has several separate bulkheads for the hanger interior.  These are good to show hull thickness, etc., but two of the bulkheads are solid and if you plan to leave the shutters open the view inside the hangar will be blocked.

Here's the exterior of one on the forward, port bulkhead.

Here's the interior.

You can see there's no provision for that shutter door to be there.  I left this one as is, but cut the second one apart so you can see into the deck.

I've toyed around trying to figure how to represent the hull repair the ship received after Coral Sea.  The exterior below the waterline damage from a bomb near hit ruptured some welds.  It was easy to locate where the damage would have been, but the only photo I can find is in Chessman's  "That Gallant Ship."  While there must have been some misshaping to the hull as indicated in the ship's damage report, it doesn't show in that photo.

So, I just put a piece of strip the length of the frame damage and painted some unweathered hull red over it.  I'm not really satisfied with it, but unless there's some better info out there to find, I suppose it will have to do.

There's still lots of work to do, paint touch-up, etc., and I'm not happy with the weathering yet.

Still, it is fun.

Mike

 

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Posted by sanderson_91 on Thursday, April 2, 2015 8:47 PM

She's looking good Mike!!  Can't wait to see more!

Steve

 

 

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Posted by Mike F6F on Sunday, April 5, 2015 1:57 PM

Mike

 

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:46 PM

Lookin' good, Mike. I admit I had my reservations about that weathered underwater hull, but it looks great now.

You're right: when all the island parts come together The Gap is almost invisible. But not quite. The addition of the funnel trunk was, I think, a good idea.

I'm really impressed with what I can see of the detail in the kit. This is going to be a mighty impressive model.

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Posted by Par429 on Monday, April 6, 2015 9:56 AM

Looks really good!

Quick paint question.  What paint did you use for the Hangar deck floor?  it's was painted in standard Navy deck gray?

Thanks,

Phil

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Posted by Mike F6F on Monday, April 6, 2015 11:51 AM

Phil,

I used Gunship Gray, a close substitute.

I did some digging and found some photo evidence that the extensions on the hanger deck to weather decks were painted in 20-B Deck Blue. There was a definitive demarkation line between the two so I masked just inside the hangar bay openings and painted Deck Blue outboard.

I don't know if CV 5 was painted that way, but it makes sense that she could have been.  The camouflage measure calls for all weather decks to be painted 20-B.

Mike

 

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Posted by Tracy White on Monday, April 6, 2015 11:55 AM

Navy orders would be for all metal decks outside of the roller doors to be in exterior camouflage (20-B). Yes, they would have taken the time to do this, for anyone wondering. :)

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Posted by Par429 on Monday, April 6, 2015 12:21 PM

Mike, Tracy-

 Thanks for the quick replies.  I'm getting to the painting point on my CV5, so appreciate the help.

Phil

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Posted by Mike F6F on Monday, April 6, 2015 2:12 PM

Phil,

How did the sanding go?

Mike

 

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Posted by Irish3335 on Monday, April 6, 2015 5:01 PM

Awesome build keep the posts coming!  Since you said you built a few carriers how would you compare this one to the trumpeter offerings?

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Posted by Mike F6F on Tuesday, April 7, 2015 7:52 AM

Irish,

I've haven't built a Trumpeter kit so I can't compare.

My carriers have been Tamiya, Italeri, Hasegawa or Revell.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, any kit of a WW II carrier will have the same basic challenge.  All the parts between the hangar deck and the flight deck must fit as well as possible or the flight deck will not sit level.  And that can really kill a project.

Mike

 

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Posted by Par429 on Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:33 AM

Mike-

  Sanding went pretty well, although as you know, it's a pretty tedious process.  I think I sanded down a bit farther than you did, hopefully what's left won't disappear under the paint.  It looks OK to me under a layer of primer.  I can post some pics, but don't want to hijack your thread.   Thanks for taking the time to post this.  It's been very helpful.

Phil

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Posted by docidle on Tuesday, April 7, 2015 8:37 PM

Mike,

The island looks great. It looks like i will have to sand the oversized plating details after seeing how your's came out.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by Mike F6F on Wednesday, April 8, 2015 9:57 AM

Steve,

I believe sanding the plating down just has to be done, but it is of course at the whim of the individual model builder.

As Phil said above,  the sanding is a tedious process and it isn't what many modelers want to do first thing after opening the kit box.

I broke up the sanding time up by doing work on the island, doing assembly on the cranes, guns and started on some aircraft. It helped.

Having the sub assemblies done is paying off now.

Enjoy your build.

Mike

 

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Posted by docidle on Wednesday, April 8, 2015 10:43 PM

Mike,

I know what you mean about tedious, I've stropped enough blocks and built enough cannons to know.  I agree that you need to break up the chore with other sub assemblies. I am a firm believer that ship models especially need to be built in sub assemblies and that if you treat each as a small model in itself and do the best you can then the overall model will come out that much better.

Where did you find the reference material on the uptakes showing? I've been searching for it in my research on my Yorktown but have not found it yet?

Also, how do you like or dislike the PE included in the kit? I have used some of the included Trumpeter PE on my Dreadnought and it is not the easiest  to work with. You so much as look at it wrong and it goes to pieces.

Steve

       

 

 

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