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  • Member since
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  • From: Scotland
Posted by Milairjunkie on Thursday, June 25, 2015 4:09 AM

I'm not really a ship modeller & haven't built the Mary Rose, but it does bring back some memories.

Her raising was a huge deal over here in the UK & was televised live which was a pretty surprising / exciting as there were only three (yes 3) TV channels at the time. It was a big enough deal for me to skip the day off school (full permission given at home!), something that I hadn't done before & didn't do again after.

It seems quite bizarre now remembering sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the yellow lifting frame & then the first timbers to break the water.... all on LIVE TV Propeller

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 7:02 PM

Fascinating! You learn something every day.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:53 PM

A rat-kangaroo native to Tasmania. Fossils of dwarf Bettongs also have been found on the Nullarbor Plain. (Probably my all time favorite geographic name).

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Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:46 PM

My phone's so-called spell checker does some truly amazing things. It was, of course, supposed to read "boarding nettings."  (By golly it tried to do it again!) I'll do the necessary edit - if the phone will let me.

Spell checker, what in the world is a bettong? (That time it tried to change it to "betting.")

But you're probably right, Duster. (Not Do stet, spell checker.) I've been losing it for a long time.

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  • From: back country of SO-CAL, at the birth place of Naval Aviation
Posted by DUSTER on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:54 PM

GMorrison

jtilley

In one of this Britmodeller posts the question of the boarding bettongs came up. Frankly I think that tiny model can get along without them.

Boarding Bettongs????

You've really lost it, Tilley!

Where did ja think the rats come from that "leave the sinking ship"? Why the boarding of course  CHEERS!

Steve

Building the perfect model---just not quite yet  Confused

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, June 24, 2015 5:21 PM

jtilley

In one of this Britmodeller posts the question of the boarding bettongs came up. Frankly I think that tiny model can get along without them.

Boarding Bettongs????

You've really lost it, Tilley!

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:25 AM

Those sets look superb. In these photos, for some reason, the deck planking looks much, much better than it did in the shots to which Cerberus linked us earlier.

In one of this Britmodeller posts the question of the boarding nettings came up. Frankly I think that tiny model can get along without them. I'm inclined to think that no fabric or metal product would be able to show the to scale without losing its transparency.

I'll order both sets.

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Posted by cerberusjf on Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:12 AM
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Posted by cerberusjf on Saturday, June 20, 2015 3:09 AM

More images of the Mary Rose photo etch can be seen here

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234979728-scalewarship-mary-rose-detail-sets/

Looking in "Your Noblest Shippe: Anatomy of a Tudor Warship" it seems unclear what was on the waist, the top rail had notches 2-3 m apart for the beams to support nets or planks and the beams seem to be either 2m or 3m long, suggesting the gangway in the middle followed the edge of the hull rather than paralleled the centreline.  But "more research needed"..

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, June 12, 2015 12:07 PM

David,

They did, but then they went bankrupt and never revived the plans. I believe that John knows more about it.

Bill

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  • From: Marysville, WA
Posted by David_K on Friday, June 12, 2015 10:04 AM

The little Mary Rose is a cute kit!  And for 12 dollars (plus a modest shipping cost), it's a good deal!  Would make a for a fun (and quick) project...Plus, I love the look of those old carracks...might just order one, especially if it sends any kind of message to Airfix that the ship model market still lives!  :)

It would make a great little display on my desk at work...

Did Heller have a plan to make a 1/100 Sovereign of the Seas?!?  That would be something to see...

Dave

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  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, June 12, 2015 7:11 AM

John,

I keep talking to them about getting back into the sailing ship business. They just don't seem interested.  It's too bad. Now, if only Heller would restart its old plan to manufacture a 1/100 Royal Sovereign/Sovereign of the Seas!

Bill

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, June 12, 2015 1:51 AM

That etched metal set looks beautiful - though the widths of the deck planks obviously are out of scale. (Admittedly the Tudors had wider boards at their disposal - but hardly THAT wide.) [Later edit: something was weird about the photo on which I based that comment. Other pictures make it clear that the deck planks are about as narrow as could be seen by the naked eye. In the newer photos the planking looks great.] And the sheet has lots of other stuff on it - including replacements for the molded-on anchors. The "ratline set" looks good too.

I vaguely remember that, in one of their earlier incarnations, some of the little Airfix sailing ships had shrouds and ratlines printed on clear plastic sheets, which the builder had to cut out. (And the Victory's transom was printed in color on the paper "header" to which the plastic bag was stapled. An enthusiastic kid just returned from the hobby shop could play havoc with the model by casually ripping that header off.)

That offering from Scale Warship of the basic kit plus the two photo-etched sets is temptingly priced. The combination has the potential to make a superb little model - and to send the modeler to the funny farm.

I think I've seen some artists' renderings that show a framework of light battens over the weather decks. (I have the impression that virtually nothing from that part of the ship survives.) But I like Scale Warship's interpretation much better than Airfix's. The treatment of the weather decks is, to my eye, the weakest part of the kit.

Some of the best researchers and experts in the business have been trying to reconstruct the Mary Rose for the past thirty-plus years. I think Cerberusjf is right about the forecastle. The drawings published a few decades ago showed it considerably smaller, but recent research and thinking make it a really massive structure. The painting on the Airfix box was done by Geoff Hunt, one of the most deeply respected historical marine artists working today; I believe the painting was commissioned by the Mary Rose Trust. It seems safe to regard the Airfix kit as an accurate, though very much simplified, indication of the experts' thinking as of 2014 or so. Which is not to say that their thinking won't change over the next few decades.

I sure hope the kit sells well. It would be great to see Airfix back in the sailing ship genre.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by cerberusjf on Thursday, June 11, 2015 2:36 PM

Jtilley, I think the gratings are actually the boarding nets suspended over the weather deck.  There is a photo etch weather deck available for Mary Rose here  www.scalewarship.com/store

I think it is an interesting model because it shows a larger bow castle than the e.g. Caldercraft's model.  There has been a large piece of bow still on the bottom which was investigated a few years ago, but I haven't heard anything more about it.  But what I heard was that it implied a big forecastle.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, June 10, 2015 4:14 PM

I have never been. Definitely on the list...

I had a similar experience visiting Wasa thirty some years ago.

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, June 10, 2015 4:04 PM

The kit's hull length is 4 3/4". The shields are molded integrally with the hull - and strips of decals provide the colors for them.

Here's the link to the Airfix site:  www.airfix.com/.../mary-rose-starter-set-1-400.html  . You might find it a little cheaper somewhere else - but I doubt it.

Just what that "Hurry! Only five left!" means I don't know. Five left in the production run? Five left in the U.S. warehouse?

Did they have it for sale in the gift shop? If not, somebody's missing an opportunity.

Wouldn't it be great if Airfix would make a Mary Rose on a larger scale - say 1/100? That would make it about the size that used to be common for plastic sailing ship kits.

The one time I saw the real ship was when she was still getting sprayed with water 24 hours a day. Visitors were allowed inside the tent-like structure that surrounded her - and were handed clear plastic raincoats as they went in. The museum containing the artifacts (well, some of them) was superb - though I understand the newly-opened one is even better. I sure wish I could get back to Portsmouth one more time.

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  • From: San Antonio, Texas
Posted by Marcus McBean on Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:37 PM

Visited the Mary Rose two weeks ago and was amazed at all of the artifacts on display.  There are around 9 thousand items of the 19 thousand they have recovered. The bronze cannons were very impressive as were the wrought iron breech loaders that fired stone cannon balls.

They are just about done drying her out and will start next month taking down the walls around the ship so you will have a unrestricted 360 degree of the ship is a couple of months.  

Does the kit show the shields for the archers?

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:23 PM

Fascinating. I look forward to this. If I understand the various bits online, the overall waterline length is about 40 meters, (38.5) So on that scale, the model is 0.10 meters, which I always equate with the length of an old "king sized" cigarette.

You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din.

Perhaps draining a clear bottle of gin is in order.

Seriously, a fine project.

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Airfix Mary Rose
Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, June 10, 2015 3:07 PM

About ten days ago I ordered the new 1/400 Mary Rose from the Airfix website. (Price: $13.00 - including four pots of Humbrol acrylic paint, a tube of Humbrol glue, and a decent synthetic brush.) The package arrived yesterday. (The postmark was somewhere in Washington State. I gather Airfix/Humbrol/Hornby has a big facility there.)

I'm impressed. I think the kit was designed primarily to be sold in the Mary Rose's gift shop, and it's quite simple (28 pieces). But it's a lot better than it probably had to be for that market. And, to the extent that it's possible to reconstruct the real ship on the basis of what's left (i.e., slightly more than a quarter of the hull), it's about as accurate as can be expected.

The design is ingenious. The two hull halves are nice, well-detailed castings, though I could do without the molded-in anchors. The lower gundeck is molded with the guns in place, so they can stick out the tiny gunports. That deck casting has several "frames" molded on the bottom that go all the way to the "keel," making it easy to line everything up.

I have mixed feelings about the weather decks. The real ship apparently had a series of wood gratings running from bulwark to bulwark the full length of the ship. The "upper deck" consists of a representation of those gratings in relief on a solid piece of plastic. Should look pretty good with careful painting, though.

The masts are quite simplified, but they have the correct round platforms at their heads (and the topmast head of the mainmast). The sails, unfortunately, are injection-molded integrally with the yards - but better than most such things. The "billowing" shapes of the sails are believable, and they seem to be thinned at their edges. Paper would look better, but I'm sure the kit versions will be satisfactory to the average purchaser. The lower yards have the little grappling irons on their ends.

One of the kit's nicest features is the decal sheet. It contains a couple of dozen colored panels to decorate the outside of the hull. Those things would be a nightmare to paint. There's also a pair of flags, nicely printed on a sheet of extremely thin, pressure-sensitive material of some sort.

There's no mention of rigging. Forget about rigging the ratlines. But some very fine lines, carefully applied, would be an impressive finishing touch.

I of course am having trouble deciding just how much I want to put into this kit. One could junk the "gratings," scratchbuild (with some guesswork) a new set of weather decks, and replace the gratings with brass mesh. One could add tremendous amounts of rigging, and enjoy the result from the bed in the insane asylum where one would end up as a result. And replace the masts and sails. But I'm thinking in terms of spending a weekend or a little more on it, giving it a nice paint job, and putting it in the curio cabinet. (My life likes it - partly because of the visit we made to the real ship on our honeymoon 24 years ago.) 

Recommended - especially to those who remember the rest of the small-scale Airfix sailing ships. This one is light years removed from the old ones.

An amusing (I hope) P.S. When I was browsing the Airfix website, I came upon a forthcoming release: a "Battle of Waterloo Gift Set." It includes, among other things, nine sets of those nice old 1/76 Airfix figures - including "British Calvary Hussars" and "French Calvary." There was a space on the order form for comments, so I mentioned that I'd spent more than thirty years trying to convince military history students: "The section of an army that rides around on horses is the CAVALRY. CALVARY is the hill where Jesus was crucified." (Other Tilley pet peeves: naval vs. navel, guerilla vs. gorilla, corps vs. corp. vs. core vs. corpse, and seaman vs. - well, never mind.) I also mentioned how much I would like to see the larger Airfix Classic Ships series come back.

When I checked the website last night, the Calvary had become Cavalry. So at least sometimes somebody reads those comments.

Anyway, if you like tiny sailing ships, track down an Airfix Mary Rose.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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