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Tirpitz photo etch question
Posted by stretchie on Saturday, October 3, 2015 11:23 PM

I bought the Tamiya kit with WEM PE. I've been looking at built models over the years and something just doesn't sit right.

The Tirpitz had torpedo launch tubes. However, the pics of different builds has the railing going all along the side. It looks like the there would be no way for the tubes to turn. I have a book on the Tirpitz, but the pics aren't real clear. (The diagrams show the launchers below the level of the railing.) Hopefully, someone can clear this up because its been bugging me for a while. :(

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, October 4, 2015 12:16 AM

Don't rely on other builds to be accurate reference. Do some image searches for better photos or at least line drawings. 

 

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Posted by stretchie on Sunday, October 4, 2015 9:13 AM

I agree. But all the photo etch manufacturers show the same thing. I've had contact with one of them a while back when I had a question about their PE. Guess I should go back and see who that was. (my model building time these days could be measured on a geological scale though Sad )

I've only seen two pics that show the Tirpitz at that angle and they're too blurry to tell. Might be time to track down the author.....

Given the popularity of the subject, I was hoping someone had already found the answer.

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Posted by cerberusjf on Monday, October 5, 2015 6:42 PM

I'm surprised as well, I had a look at the limited resources I have and there were railings before the torpedo tubes were fitted, but the only photo I have found that is clear after they are fitted shows no railings by the tubes.  You can see a portion of it here

http://bismarck-tirpitz.com/tirpitz/tirpitz-volume-2/

Railings along the edge of the main deck were of course collapsible, so this photo is not proof that the railings were absent.

Perhaps Antonio Bonomi's book in the link contains the answer?

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, October 5, 2015 6:49 PM

Cerberus has the answer.

Because PE companies make them that way, there's an assumption that all of those "railings" on ships are just that, big constructions of welded bar and/ or tubes.

On a bridge or mast, yes. On the main decks, these were usually life lines rigged through collapsible stanchions. I'm not too familiar with the DKM, but the big USN ships would strike the life lines down for battle; otherwise the gun blasts sent them overboard. This is contemporary practice on ships like Arleigh Burkes, too.

The deck detail could stand up the stanchions, run out several hundred feet of rope, and tighten them up quickly.

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Posted by surfsup on Monday, October 5, 2015 7:47 PM

The Railings on DKM Ships were collapsable. They were only collapsed when going into Action. Otherwise they were kept in their Normal Upright Position for safe Seakeeping for the Crew. They were collapsed during Action for the simple Reason there were no Crew on Deck in exposed Positions......Cheers Mark

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Posted by stretchie on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 3:34 PM

collapsable rail? makes sense. i never even thought of that. never got to go on a Navy ship. Sad

thanks for the info! Smile

now if i can just muster the enthusiasm to start this thing. (its been 8 years. Confused )

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, October 9, 2015 12:05 PM

Hi ;

 Now on the subject of collapsible rails .The rails forward could be collapsed on our ship . They never were though . Except those on the 01 deck for the torpedo launchers . this was before FRAM  .

    Yes it was a Gearing class destroyer !   T.B.

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Posted by cerberusjf on Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:53 PM

  " alt="Tirpitz torpedo" />

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/cerberusjf/tirpitz_torpedo_zpsnzlst3sp.jpg

 

Hi

Tirpitz had chains serving as removable railings, as seen here.

 

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Posted by stretchie on Monday, November 23, 2015 12:42 PM

Mr. Late here. :)

that is interesting.......chain makes sense though. :)

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:55 AM

On some models, especially those with a lot of sheer, it is possible to push down on the railing between stanchions to give them a sag.  On 1:350 and smaller, that does a fair job of looking like chain or cable railing.  A circular arc is good enough to represent a catenary curve in those small scales.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by ejhammer on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 12:13 PM
Every ship I served on, the railings were bent up to some degree anyway, so us trying to get them strait enough or saggy enough is kinda a moot point. I usually get mine bent up a bit just getting them installed, maybe not bent to scale though, but close enough. EJ

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Posted by stretchie on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:56 PM

i think when i get around to building the Tirpitz.....i might just model the rails down.

who knows.

who knows when i'll actually get to it. Huh?

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Posted by Jockster on Friday, November 27, 2015 9:08 PM
Don't stress about starting, the best thing about ship modeling is that each ship is a collection of smaller models put together at the end. Build the four main turrets or the bridge as a one off model. Then if the mood takes you, build another section and so on! There's no time limit!

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