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New rules & categories for IPMS Ship Out of the Box

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  • Member since
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New rules & categories for IPMS Ship Out of the Box
Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, December 3, 2015 6:32 AM

The categories and rules for the IPMS Ship Out of the Box categories are being changed for 2016. 

A new category of 'Legacy' or single-media has been established. The intent is to allow modelers who do not do photo-etch or are uncomfortable with it to compete and do not feel that they are at a disadvantage against those modelers who do use photo-etch details. I look forward to seeing PitRoad, Revell, Trumpeter, or Tamiya plastic kits here - without added photo-etch. Primarily resin kits may also compete within the limitations noted. The category splits also address the rise of the high-tech kits which come with all of the bells and whistles. 

The categories will be in place for at least three years so that we can see how they are accepted and how they fill out over time. The rules will be tweaked as necessary. 

I had mentioned these changes during the ship judges side meeting during the Columbus show. The final rules will be published on the IPMS website soon. 

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excerpts of the new rules are: 

III Special Categories 
2. Out of the Box 
F. Ships Out-of-the-Box Category 425 – Multi-media or “High-Tech” kits: Entries in this category shall be in accordance with Rules III.2.A--E (above). Any commercially available kit may be used, but only the parts which are included with the kit (e.g. wood decks, photoetched details, resin parts, and/or turned metal barrels, etc.). No separate aftermarket upgrade sets either generically or specifically designed for the base kit are allowed. For verification, the kit’s whole instruction sheet must be provided. 

The modeler may choose to modify a kit from a whole-hull to a waterline presentation. The modeler may cut and remove parts from the base kit and replace them with any kit-included detail parts, in accordance with the instructions. Otherwise the modeler is not permitted to manufacture, replace, vacuum-form, or substitute parts from another kit. 

G. Ships Out-of-the-Box Category 426 – Single Media or “Legacy” kits: The modeler shall use only the primary material provided in the kit for the construction and detailing of the entry. Primary material is defined to be: plastic, resin, wood, paper, or cast metal, and comprises the majority of the material provided within the kit. No secondary materials may be used, even if provided with the kit, with the following exceptions: 
i. For those kits which direct the use of wire to replicate items which may be beyond the limitations of the primary material (e.g. resin masts or gun barrels), wire material may be used. This wire may be either provided with the kit or supplied by the modeler. 
ii. The modeler may use thread, wire, or stretched sprue to rig the ship or fabricate lifelines. In no instance may photoetched material, including separate stanchions, be used. 
iii. Paper flags or ensigns may be used. 

For verification, the kit’s whole instruction sheet must be provided.

The modeler may choose to modify a kit from a whole-hull to a waterline presentation, but may not otherwise make changes to the configuration of the kit’s subject. The modeler may not remove/replace molded fittings (hatchways, gun tubs, deck bolsters, etc). The painting and decaling of 
the entry shall be in accordance with Rule III.2.B (above). 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, December 4, 2015 9:54 AM

Boy, not that much difference between OOB and Legacy!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, December 4, 2015 3:54 PM

Good idea! Perhaps they can do this for aircraft and armor as well?

 

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Posted by chango on Friday, December 4, 2015 4:03 PM

I didn't know there were enough builders with PE-phobia to merit their own competition catagory. Still, not a bad idea.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, December 4, 2015 5:08 PM

I suppose it makes sense, but I would have hoped that the judges could make choices based on the merits of the build, whether OOB or hyper detailed.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, December 4, 2015 5:56 PM

GMorrison

I suppose it makes sense, but I would have hoped that the judges could make choices based on the merits of the build, whether OOB or hyper detailed.

 

True, but deluxe kit that comes with wood decks, metal gun barrels, and PE in the box would seem to have some serious advantages over an all plastic, resin, or other single medium kit.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, December 5, 2015 10:14 AM

stikpusher

 

 
GMorrison

I suppose it makes sense, but I would have hoped that the judges could make choices based on the merits of the build, whether OOB or hyper detailed.

 

 

 

True, but deluxe kit that comes with wood decks, metal gun barrels, and PE in the box would seem to have some serious advantages over an all plastic, resin, or other single medium kit.

 

Much as we might hate to admit it, judges are never completely objective.  Even for kits of equivalent quality the subject matters.  Some subjects are winners just because of the subject.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by uspsjuan on Monday, December 7, 2015 8:59 AM
I like the new rule. I have good skills but a limited budget. Don't like to compete because John Doe has deeper pockets than me for all the super detail parts. just cant compete against that. Just my $.02 . Happy building everyone
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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, December 7, 2015 9:12 AM

Many a time I have seen a model with no or little aftermarket stuff beat someone who has spent a fortune on aftermarket.  And, I have heard from judges who were accosted after judging by someone who complains, "hey, I spent $500 on aftermarket on that model- why didn't I win.

Good modeling skills usually trumps just adding aftermarket.

Still, I see OOB and similar categories as useful periodically to remind and encourage us to keep working on those basic skills.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, December 7, 2015 9:47 AM

stikpusher

 

 
GMorrison

I suppose it makes sense, but I would have hoped that the judges could make choices based on the merits of the build, whether OOB or hyper detailed.

 

 

 

True, but deluxe kit that comes with wood decks, metal gun barrels, and PE in the box would seem to have some serious advantages over an all plastic, resin, or other single medium kit.

 

Or disadvantages, based on how skilled the modeler was.  I know from experience that PE can be a score buster when it comes down to the wire when judging between which model is the most flawless. All it takes is one a little spec of brass showing or a piece of rail slightly out of alignment and the judge would have to knock it accordlingly.  

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Posted by scottrc on Monday, December 7, 2015 9:58 AM

Don Stauffer

Many a time I have seen a model with no or little aftermarket stuff beat someone who has spent a fortune on aftermarket.  And, I have heard from judges who were accosted after judging by someone who complains, "hey, I spent $500 on aftermarket on that model- why didn't I win.

Good modeling skills usually trumps just adding aftermarket.

Still, I see OOB and similar categories as useful periodically to remind and encourage us to keep working on those basic skills.

 

Great point Don, for when I was a gullible, young competitor, I lost that aurgument with the judges.   I had a 1/700 model deck to the gills with PE and lost to a Lindberg cabin cruiser OOB that was brush painted and built in a day.  The fact was that the builder did a flawless job, inside and out, and his brushpainting skills beat out anything an airbrush would do.  The main point that was honed into me was that judging is based purely on craftmanship and who can make a model with the least number of duductable flaws.  The more complex you make the model, the higher the risk of having the chance of a small flaw being found.  And at 1/700, we are talking magnifier and pen light issues here.  However, I for one like the challenge and now love to sit down and have a critque done after the judging to see just where I need to work on.  If I was trophy seeking, then stay with the basics, but I know many of us like the challenge and hence why I think this catagory was created.  We like to raise the bar.

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, December 7, 2015 11:16 AM

Interesting discussion. I have to say that you folks have provided me with one more reason to maintain my position on the matter (which I've brought up so many times in the Forum that I'm sure people are sick of it). I don't believe in model contests.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, December 7, 2015 12:22 PM

Ration this man some rum!

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, December 8, 2015 1:40 PM

L egacy ;

Hmmm;

That means it must be as originally packaged - without all the P.E. and other stuff ? What if it comes with that stuff ?

See ? confusion reigns here . I guess they mean if you have an old Revell , Airfix or Renwal kit with the " Wall-Rails" then that's the way you build it ?

      How many of you have built the Shell Welder ? Regardless of who's label It's under it still comes with the nylonish rails and stuff .You mean you gotta use that crap ?

 I would imagine that could test your build skill , but it can be done fairly decently .

     just remember on those old  "Wall Rail " kits NOT to paint them silver like the instructions say .That really ruins the look .      T.B.

    

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Posted by Brian Miller on Wednesday, December 9, 2015 1:17 PM

I think that this is a good idea, but to have the instructions included and looked over during judging is a must. I had a 1/72 scale tank in a contrdt and it was OOB and I included the instructions. Even though there were several OOB participants they did not have the instructions. I won by default, even though my build was definitely not a superior build. I overheard a contestant complaining about this and he was politely shown that I had provided instructions and he did not. 

 

On the down-side, there were many contests that my ships won by default simply  there werent enough entries. Ships have probably the least numbers in average contests, so this may bring out more models, but they'll be split up now. 

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