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Scratch-Building Ships-Any Scale
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, April 4, 2016 1:20 PM

Okay !

    Are you game ? Lets say 1/350 , How do you do this ? First , Pick your ship . Then pick the setting and lastly , remember, most work better using the paper method.That means , Waterline Versions .

    If you choose to try this, the sky is the limit ! There is not one vessel ever created , That you can't build ,even sailing ships ! This method allows you to use 1/350 P.E. and other after-market stuff !

    Yes ! The ships built this way, are strong enough to support even resin conversion kits ! Brass fittings , Go for it !

  The paper method requires the waterline plate and then you build up the rest with a verticle profile plate and frames , creating somewhat of an egg-crate ! You know how egg crates can be !  STRONG !

     This is even good for newbies .Why ? it's simple , straightforward and looks good .Plus with plastic sheet the bow curves and sterns can be more properly shaped .

      I have taken a ship of paper and translated it to plastic .Much better shape and way more accurate overall .Of course it's a German style Dreadnaught from W.W.1, Brass gun barrels , props and all . The hull and main deck areas are still a W.I.P. so there's more to do .

 I think all ship modelers should try at least one paper ship .Sure , most are waterline but there are a choice few that are full hull from large to very large to very small !

   Again , are you game ? They can win at an I.P.M.S. contest ! ( if that's your thing ) .I prefer to just show them off and hear people say , " That's Paper " ?

 Now the thing is we're talking plastic here .Plenty of Evergreen sheet in .010 and .020 . You will learn tricks that will allow you to graduate to brass parts ( gun tubs ,bulwarks etc. ) and open new avenues to build your favorite vessels .

     Now, for the sail ship afficionado , you can go Wood masts , spars and the works . You can even trim the ship out in wood , Or , ( I've done this once ) overlay your plastic hull with very thin wood veneer ! Deck too .

 This opens up a whole category to you .Motoryachts and the classic speedboats from the forties and fifties and that includes a 1/24 scale  "RIVA " from Italy with Teak , oak and mahogany !

     The nice part of this is, ship sections for dioramas ! You can then use all those weld line and rivet decals too ! But the paper style construction will open up ideas you never thought of .How about a nice " On Deck " vignette at a set of twin forties ? All lightweight and Very realistic looking in 1/35 scale . Try this method .You really won't regret it !  Tanker-Builder

    

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Posted by Winter of 42 on Tuesday, April 5, 2016 6:31 AM

Intriguing idea - do you have (or can your point me to) any plans for this kind of construction? I'm not sure whether you're advocating the use of paper or of plastic sheet (or maybe both)?

The stopper for me: I don't think that I could manually loft the flat pattern for something with intricate 3D curves (think Viking longboat, for example). 

Thanks for the idea, anyway. As you say, the possibilities seem endless.

Dave

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Tuesday, April 5, 2016 1:06 PM

Dave;

    This idea is mostly for vessels after that era .You can do it though .The trick is making the strips of plastic curve enough to do the job .The only thing you would use the paper model for is patterns . Definitely .010 and .020 strips .You can run them over a knife or scissor edge ( Like ribbon material ) to get those curves .

     I have some , of ships that do not exist anymore in the more modern civil type . This is what started me down the path to converting them to plastic .Take the " Lisselot Essberger " W.W.-2 - vintage tanker .Recreated it in plastic to represent those that had been maximized after the war .That is where they added sections forward of the center deckhouse and aft deckhouse .Thereby " Maximizing " them. This also works great for creating updated versions of cruise types and Box ships .

    The best " Box " ship in paper was and is the " CONTI BELGICA " by " Wilhemshaven " Detail is incredible in paper sooo,I haven't finished it yet but the detail is stiill awesome. The plastic was actually easier , being this is a waterline model . Detail parts can come from anywhere and look so cool . T.B.        Forgot to mention .If you apply spray clear to the paper , You can in many places treat it like plastic too !  

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Posted by Winter of 42 on Tuesday, April 5, 2016 2:13 PM

Tanker - Builder

....    The best " Box " ship in paper was and is the " CONTI BELGICA " by " Wilhemshaven " Detail is incredible in paper sooo,I haven't finished it yet but the detail is stiill awesome. The plastic was actually easier , being this is a waterline model . Detail parts can come from anywhere and look so cool . T.B.        Forgot to mention .If you apply spray clear to the paper , You can in many places treat it like plastic too !  

 

Clear spray - that would be neat. The Krylon stuff especially is pretty interesting high-tech chemistry.

Might have to ruminate on your idea -- I've thought now and then about modeling my father's ship, USS Montour, APA-101 (he was admiral's communication officer aboard, but the Montour never saw action, despite wandering all over the Pacific for 2 years.)

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:47 AM

Yeah , Winter ;

    Tha Ocala Victory , which I mentioned in a different thread, didn't even do that . Built , launched and christened and then Mothballs .Then, years later a freighter for a shipping line out of Seattle ( that's when I served on her ).

   Neat ship though, and when they re-sailed , The good ones ,many looked nothing like they did when launched !    T.B.         P.S. The brand of " Clear Spray " you mentioned , is the one I use LOL.LOL.

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Posted by Winter of 42 on Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:18 AM
Interesting about the Ocala. The Montour was a Bayfield-class attack transport, a 1942 conversion from a 1938 US Maritime Commission passenger-freighter design. After being struck by the Navy in '46, Bethlehem Steel bought it as a freighter. After changing hands a couple of times, she was finally scrapped in 1977, a long service life for an ad-hoc design. If I remember right, the end came when she tried to dock in the middle of a pier, rather than alongside.
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Posted by amphib on Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:40 PM

For the ultimate boat building experience try a 12"=12" wooden boat building experience. Take a look at newfound woodworks or adirondack guideboat co. kits for cedar rowing boats. One will keep you busy for a whole winter and then give you hours of pleasure for the whole family in the summer.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:47 PM

Yeah , Winter ;

   They don't like it when you try to extensively modify a pier , plus you go and bend your boat ! !  T.B.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, April 7, 2016 12:54 PM

OOH !

You were watching me were'nt you ? I did a wood yacht version of an 88 foot  Coast Guard Bouy Tender . 27 Months from keel laying to launch .The yard was very happy to get their space back !

   The biggest cost believe it or not was the wood .Teak from Indonesia .Mahogany from the Phillipines and Bakka wood from Africa ! The engines ? GM -6-71s  in the crate ! Had them for about five years .( result of an auction ) Nice ride though . Especially to Hawaii with the Missus !   T.B.         P.S. I always liked the smell of fresh worked or steamed wood !

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