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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:42 PM

Pawel
Did they store the aircraft somehow for diving? I know the Japanese had some subs with hangars but this one doesn't look like one of them...

Been a zillion years since I studied any of this.

But, IIRC, for this class, the long tube forwards of the conning tower either clamshelled or hinged open.  Wings & stabs all came loose, and went in compartmentsalongside the tube structure.  Also spaces for floats, too.  They rigged a jib derreck and lowered the fuselage in last.  After which, the compoartent was closed again.

Test depths in WWII were only to about 100m, which simplified things.  Additionally, the hanger space was separate from the crewed pressure hull, so it could potentially flood with only damage to the a/c, and not the whole sub.

The set-up tie to get flying a/c off a sub limited the utility of submerseible carriers.

Doctrinally, the scout plane was essential to find targets "worthy" of setting the midget sub upon.  Practically, the scout plane was not used in that way.  Surprise was felt to be tactically superior in practice.

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Posted by Revenant on Sunday, January 15, 2017 4:29 PM

fermis

Thank a bunch guys!Toast

It took a little while to get into this one...once I did though...I loved it!

 

 

 
Pawel

Did they store the aircraft somehow for diving? I know the Japanese had some subs with hangars but this one doesn't look like one of them... 

 

 

I can only assume so. There is a "tube" on the front end of the tower. If things are scaled properly, I imagine there would be some assembly required, to get the plane ready to go. Even with the tail and wings folded...the floats are too wide. My only knowledge on the subject is...this sub can go under water...launch a midget sub...and launch a plane.

 

Yes...

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Sunday, January 15, 2017 2:34 PM

Hello!

Thanks for the info, Fermis! Assemblying an aircraft at sea must have been really something! And that additional opening probaly affected the maximum dive depth. That would kinda explain why we didn't see that many aircraft-launching subs in history!

Have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by fermis on Sunday, January 15, 2017 2:10 PM

Thank a bunch guys!Toast

It took a little while to get into this one...once I did though...I loved it!

 

Pawel

Did they store the aircraft somehow for diving? I know the Japanese had some subs with hangars but this one doesn't look like one of them... 

I can only assume so. There is a "tube" on the front end of the tower. If things are scaled properly, I imagine there would be some assembly required, to get the plane ready to go. Even with the tail and wings folded...the floats are too wide. My only knowledge on the subject is...this sub can go under water...launch a midget sub...and launch a plane.

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:49 AM

Beautiful work. Love it.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Revenant on Saturday, January 14, 2017 3:40 PM

I rike this berry, berry much...

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Posted by 1943Mike on Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:12 PM

Super fine build! I am dumbfounded as to how well you finished the model and how realistic you've made it look - for any scale - but for 1/350 ..... Toast

Your aircraft is done very well too. My hat's off to you for all the creative work and persistance.

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:24 PM

Hello!

It's a beauty of a build, congratulations!

Did they store the aircraft somehow for diving? I know the Japanese had some subs with hangars but this one doesn't look like one of them...

Thanks for sharing and have a nice day

Paweł

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by templar1099 on Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:30 PM

Bravo.

"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by Revenant on Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:07 PM

Stick out tongueNice!  Could you put a penny next to it for a sense of scale?  

 

ConfusedMaybe now you'll dust that Destroyer WiP off...

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Posted by Hokey on Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:34 AM

Really nice work...

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Posted by fermis on Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:58 AM

As promised....here's all the glory shots...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and...for a size reference...

 

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Posted by Revenant on Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:33 AM

fermis

All done!

 

I'll get pics posted tomorrow...until then...

 

 

 

WOW!  Awesome build!!!  A plane AND a baby-sub...a triple-threat...

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Posted by fermis on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 11:40 PM

All done!

 

I'll get pics posted tomorrow...until then...

 

 

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Posted by fermis on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:12 PM

Revenant

SurpriseAre those bombs under the wings???

 

Yes...they're quite basic...but considering they're a wee bit shy of 2mm's long...can't really complain!

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Posted by Revenant on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:40 PM

fermis

Got the plane built today. Tedious! 16 pieces total.

Antenna is stretched sprue, as is the antenna wire...may or may not be able to see it in the pics...it's about 1/10th the width of my hair.

 

 

 

 

 

SurpriseAre those bombs under the wings???

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Posted by fermis on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:35 PM

Got the plane built today. Tedious! 16 pieces total.

Antenna is stretched sprue, as is the antenna wire...may or may not be able to see it in the pics...it's about 1/10th the width of my hair.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by fermis on Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:23 AM

1943Mike

Looks fabulous so far!

Am I not seeing correctly or are the props missing?

I too am curious as to how you did the antenna insulators/separators? They really add to the overall great look you've created here.

 

 

Props not on yet.

For that antenna...I started by wraping a coil of fine copper wire around a drill bit, slid the coil off the bit and sliced it with a blade, creating the rings. I made a bracket out of sprue, CAed a length of stretched sprue across the bracket and CAed the rings to that...like so...

Things were going great, I was on the 6th and final line when I fumbled and destroyed the whole thing.....5 hours, down the drain.

Attempt #2....I used aluminum tubing to hold the rings. CA the stretched sprue to the tube, well beyond the rings, at each end...then just dab CA to the sprue where it meets a ring...repeat...

After all the spots are glued, cut the ends of the lines, slide it right off, CA the ends together and add another length of stretched sprue to the ends.

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  • From: Salem, Oregon
Posted by 1943Mike on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:49 PM

Looks fabulous so far!

Am I not seeing correctly or are the props missing?

I too am curious as to how you did the antenna insulators/separators? They really add to the overall great look you've created here.

 

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by Revenant on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:07 PM

fermis

 

 
Revenant

 

 

Wow.  How did you construct that circular rigging??? 

 

Oh, the baby sub is on backwards...Embarrassed

 

 

 

I'll get to the rigging explanation later...I'm burned out and ready to hit the sack.

AS far as the midget...everything I found showed em facing backwards.

 

 

 

Yeah, I was just joshing ya...Is pic on top that a dio?

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  • From: hamburg michigan
Posted by fermis on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 7:27 PM

Revenant

 

 

Wow.  How did you construct that circular rigging??? 

 

Oh, the baby sub is on backwards...Embarrassed

 

I'll get to the rigging explanation later...I'm burned out and ready to hit the sack.

AS far as the midget...everything I found showed em facing backwards.

 

 

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Posted by Revenant on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:55 PM

fermis

Getting much closer now!

Got the rigging/antennas done...still have the plane to do as well as some weathering.

 

 

 

 

Wow.  How did you construct that circular rigging??? 

Oh, the baby sub is on backwards...Embarrassed

  • Member since
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  • From: hamburg michigan
Posted by fermis on Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:35 PM

Getting much closer now!

Got the rigging/antennas done...still have the plane to do as well as some weathering.

 

 

 

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Posted by Revenant on Sunday, January 8, 2017 11:11 AM

Embarrassed...box-art?  Or the one you did w the baby torpedoes on it...

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, January 7, 2017 11:02 PM

Been a little while on this one...broke it back out today...

Main assembly finished up, as well as some paint...still got all the fiddly bits yet to do.

Mounted on the plaque, so I don't have to handle the model itself.

Does anybody know of a good, clear diagram for the rigging/antennas? The only thing I've found any kind of useful, was another build...that only gets me so far though.

 

 

 

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  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, December 18, 2016 8:14 PM

Revenant
hmmmmm...it doesn't look big enough to carry torpedoes...

Was not much more than torpedos, two sailors, and the engine, so they were small. 

They were not meant for independant operation, but from a mother ship of some sort.

Even before the Kamikaze forces were raised up, there was a pretty much understodd situation in which these operated in a mostly one-way attack mode.

 

Side note--in the new Nicholas Cage version of the sining of the USS Indianapolis, the movie producers, in classic Nick Cage historical accuracy form, introduced Kaiten, the specifically one-way versions of these midget subs.

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  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:08 AM

Carried two, in an over/under configuration in front of the conning tower. If you look close at thebow and the PE you can just see the tips of the warheads.

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Posted by Revenant on Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:00 AM

goldhammer

Yes, they launched 5 at Pearl Harbor, USS Ward sank one with a 5" through the conning tower off the entrance, USS Monahan rammed one in the harbor.  Both were also depth charged.  One washed up on the beach and the survivor was the first Japanese POW (that one is now on display at the Pacific War Museum in Fredricksberg, TX).  I think they have now accunted for all 5. One was found with both torpedos expended, and there is some controversy over a captured Japanese photo taken from the air that shows a couple of extra torpedo tracks over drop splashes from Kates, and possible conning tower and "roostertails" from the prop as they were launched.  So it is possible that one did get in and fire and get back out. 

Later in the war they also had manned "kamakazi" torps.

The US was about the only country that did not have midgets of one sort or another during the war.

 

hmmmmm...it doesn't look big enough to carry torpedoes...

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  • From: hamburg michigan
Posted by fermis on Saturday, December 17, 2016 3:10 PM

goldhammer

Yes, 31 May/1 June '42, as per the article and pics in the link above.  Two sunk in harbor and one outside was found a few years ago. 

 

I just saw a docu's on that last week. I've seen the one about Pearl a couple time...I still giggle hearing "Peg Bundy" as the narrator! 

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