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Building Heller Le Soleil
Posted by Mark Carroll on Monday, January 08, 2018 10:53 PM

Iv'e read older posts about this ship kit but have several questions that weren't covered.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, January 09, 2018 9:06 AM

I started mine several years ago, lower masts are in place, and just beginning rigging.  Got spritmast rigged and just starting on foremast.  Maybe I can help, ask away.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Tuesday, January 09, 2018 9:05 PM

Hi Don,

I've read that some modelers are"thickening" the hulls to these plastic ship kits around the cannon openings so when you look through where the cannons are you can see how thick the ship is. Doing this is great until you get to the top of the ship, so what's the use? I kind of calculated the thickness of the plastic and by scale its about 6" thick and I'm sure period ships were at least 12" thick or thicker. I'm just curious as to why someone would spend all that time(and its a lot) to do this when you can't effectively do it to the top of the ship? Were period ships tapered down this much at the top ? Also do you know if the Le Soleil Royal ,being a ship of the line ,had an admiralty entrance on the port side of the ship? Thanks,Mark

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:34 AM

Can't answer either question.  I left the sides as is. 

This brings up an issue. Even with the sides as they are, I remember it being a bit of a struggle to get the decks in place, after hull glued together.  Had to apply quite a bit of force, and worried I'd seperate the hull halves, but it worked out fine, there was enough give.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:25 PM

I kind of figured that making the walls thicker it would be really difficult getting the decks in. You said that some of your masts were installed(I am by the way asking these questions before I have even started this ship)How did you attach them? I understand that their was no provision made to install any of them in this kit. Are you going to use all the blocks that came with the ship or did you get aftermarket ones? Thanks for your in put, Mark

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:32 PM

Sometimes, the effect is as important as the actual detail.

If you have say a four decker, and the plastic scales at 6" at the bulwarks, it follows that if each deck below that has thicker sides, it will look much more "real" that a consistent plastic shell.

If you add progressively thicker frames around the ports from the first gun deck below the weather deck, down. Using a "chopper", basswood and CA, it's the work of an evening.

As for fitting the decks, just keep out of their way.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:15 AM

Mark Carroll

I kind of figured that making the walls thicker it would be really difficult getting the decks in. You said that some of your masts were installed(I am by the way asking these questions before I have even started this ship)How did you attach them? I understand that their was no provision made to install any of them in this kit. Are you going to use all the blocks that came with the ship or did you get aftermarket ones? Thanks for your in put, Mark

 

 

Had no trouble inserting the lower masts. In fact, I did not even glue them in place- I figure the shrouds will hold them in place.  The only upper mast I have done yet is the sprit topmast.  I will only put the upper masts on the rest after I have rigged shrouds, ratlines and stays.  And yes, I bought aftermarket blocks.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:27 PM

I'm pretty sure I didn't glue mine in either . the mast's do go through 4 deck layer's , pretty much no room for them to go anywhere . I also did as GM said and each deck layer the extra styrene got smaller , around the gun port's . very happy with the effect .

don  , how do you put what someone else has said into your post . I think you have told me before , but I,ve forgotten , getting old Embarrassed

steve5

 

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:09 PM

Thanks for all the info guys,it's really interesting to see how everybody builds. Im thinking of getting after market blocks,there are some really nice ones out there. I would really like to tell everyone that a wonderful gentleman named Jeff emailed me the English instructions to the Le Soleil. Thanks Jeff! They are clear as a bell. I must say that the rigging on this ship scares the hell out of me! It seems a daunting task!I guess start at the front and work towards the back?Any ideas on this?

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:01 PM

I really don't think their is a hard and fast of doing the rigging mark , with mine I did all the lower shrouds first , fore back to mizzen , and so on upward . I know it seem's scarey . but after a while , you will settle into a routine . with the ratline's just don't try and do it all at once . have break's , do the boat's in between , something to break the monopoly , the rigging is the best part for me , yeah! I know I'm a bit wierd ,Geeked

steve5

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, January 12, 2018 8:55 AM

steve5

I'm pretty sure I didn't glue mine in either . the mast's do go through 4 deck layer's , pretty much no room for them to go anywhere . I also did as GM said and each deck layer the extra styrene got smaller , around the gun port's . very happy with the effect .

don  , how do you put what someone else has said into your post . I think you have told me before , but I,ve forgotten , getting old Embarrassed

steve5

 

When you hit the reply button, you see the message you are replying to, with a big buttom below that says "Add Quote to your Post."  Click that.  Here is the tricky part.  You must now scroll down to the part that says (in brackets) (slash) quote.  You must put the cursor now below that phrase.  Then type your reply.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, January 12, 2018 3:47 PM

Don Stauffer

 

 
steve5

I'm pretty sure I didn't glue mine in either . the mast's do go through 4 deck layer's , pretty much no room for them to go anywhere . I also did as GM said and each deck layer the extra styrene got smaller , around the gun port's . very happy with the effect .

don  , how do you put what someone else has said into your post . I think you have told me before , but I,ve forgotten , getting old Embarrassed

steve5

 

 

 

When you hit the reply button, you see the message you are replying to, with a big buttom below that says "Add Quote to your Post."  Click that.  Here is the tricky part.  You must now scroll down to the part that says (in brackets) (slash) quote.  You must put the cursor now below that phrase.  Then type your reply.

 

 

thankyou

 

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Friday, January 12, 2018 6:43 PM

So here's another great question.Has anyone used or made those parells(I know I spelled that wrong) to hold up the yard arms? If not what do you use to hold them on that looks ship like? Also since that rig is no good to make rat lines( I've tried it and its really hard to get it to work right) what do you guys think is the best way to make them?Thanks for your help!

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, January 12, 2018 7:46 PM

try this for your ratlines ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMmGFWJhi8E

this guy has your parrel's and everything else you will need , including a wonderful set of flags , http://www.radekshipmodels.cz/en/list-of-kits-and-accessories

 

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Saturday, January 13, 2018 2:47 PM

Thanks Steve for the link! it will be a great help!

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, January 13, 2018 3:00 PM

as an extra note mark , give this build by davidk a good look , it is excellent

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/163550.aspx

 

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Posted by David_K on Sunday, January 14, 2018 9:22 AM

Soleil Royal is a fun and challenging project!  Can't wait to see your progress Cool

Looks like you've gotten some solid advice to your questions.

Parrel kits for my build were from http://www.agesofsail.com/  I think they were Amati brand, so I'm sure they're available elswhere...but really good little parrel sets.

I had some good info on my WIP thread of this kit, but it's a shame the pics have been un-hosted by photobucket...kinda takes a lot of the value out of that thread.

Good luck, and let us know if you have any more questions!

Dave

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Recently Finished:  Imai Catalan Ship, Heller Soleil Royal

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Sunday, January 14, 2018 11:50 AM

Thanks guys, you have no idea how much this means to me.Its great to talk to someone who is or has gone through these builds and has eliminated or at least figured out problems with these kits.It helps us as to be ,or in the process of, building these great ships.

Something that absolutely fascinates me is the actual task of building the real ship! Being a carpenter for these past 45 years makes me appreciate what went in to putting this whole thing together. It took several acres of choice timber that had to be cut down by hand and shipped to the shipyard where it took approx 300 men about two years to build these magnificent ships.So with every plank and every block and rope(thread) we put this ship together (for the most part) in a same way /fashion as they did.Its such a joy to stand back and look at it when your done just as they did.Oh what fun!

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Posted by crackers on Sunday, January 14, 2018 1:15 PM

The SOLEIL ROYAL and the English BRITANNIA exchanging gunfire during the battle of Balfleur in 1692. The SOLIEL ROYAL was grounded and burned by an English boarding party.   Painting by James A. Flood.  Please, more model building photos of this intertesting sailing ship.

Happy modeling   Crackers    Smile

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, January 14, 2018 1:26 PM

Radek at HiSModel is great!  Check his store out for anything you need for sailing ships. Also, his customer service is fantastic!

Bill Morrison

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Friday, January 26, 2018 9:50 AM

Just got the flags from HiSModel and they look great! The cloth sails,parrels,and rigging string is on the way.Has anyone had experience with these or other cloth sails? The box instructions tell you to glue a string around the entire perimeter of the plastic sails with "loops" in the corners  to tie them off,I understand that these cloth sails already have these loops"built in". I would love to hear feed back on your experiences with both of these scenarios. 

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Monday, February 05, 2018 6:58 PM

Hey Dave, I saw your WIP on the SR.It was fantastic. What's the deal with Photobucket? How do you get pictures on here? I just started mine and want to share!

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, February 05, 2018 9:12 PM

Mark Carroll

Hey Dave, I saw your WIP on the SR.It was fantastic. What's the deal with Photobucket? How do you get pictures on here? I just started mine and want to share!

 

you have to pay on photobucket now , so they just stole everyone's photo's , pay or we keep , nice guy's . 

try postimage it's free mate .

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Monday, February 05, 2018 10:35 PM

Mark,

Both Postimage and Flickr work in a similar fashion. I made a screen shot tutorial for someone a while back using Flickr as the image hosting site. You might want to check out what I wrote here:

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/feedback_help_and_testing/f/43/t/173158.aspx

If you can get your images posted from Flickr I'm sure you'll have no trouble figuring out how Postimage works. They're both similar.

P.S. I used the hot link icon above but it doesn't seem to be working just now. Simply copy the address above and paste it into your browser.

Mike

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Thursday, February 08, 2018 1:17 AM

How do you do postimage?

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, February 08, 2018 7:01 AM

There is another forum that is better for help questions. It is the Forum Technical Assistance forum, down below in the Feedback, Help, and Testing section.  Because of the turmoil when Photobucket changed their policies, using other hosting sites,  you may find your answers already in a thread there, or if you ask, there are people who hang there who are really good on answering that kind of questions.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Friday, February 09, 2018 2:52 PM

Thanks Don! After reading this help section it appears that no pictures can be uploaded to this site! What a bummer! Am I reading this wrong? One of the best parts about this forum is not only to exchange ideas but to see each other's work and how they do things.

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Posted by Mark Carroll on Friday, February 09, 2018 3:41 PM

GMorrison,how did you get these pictures on this forum? Let me know,

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Posted by LIVIT on Friday, February 09, 2018 5:21 PM

GMorrison and I both use Fotki. Try it for free and then you have multiple inexpensive yearly or multi year plans.   If you need help with it shoot me a PM.

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Posted by GMorrison on Friday, February 09, 2018 6:14 PM

Thanks, LIVIT for starting the answer.

Jim, this is easier to explain once you get a photo on a share site like Fotki. It needs to be a .jpg.

If you can go ahead and set that up, we'll take it from there.

 

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