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Posted by Hirnsausen on Monday, July 08, 2019 1:08 AM

I am still not successful: I entered "N Scale" as search string, then I had to decide if those are toys, ships, helicopters or RC boats. I opted for "toys".  Inside toys, I get the options of "figures" and selected them. But there I see only a few H0 figure sets. And they are also not in the 1860s fashion style as required for this 1860s ship diorama.

But anyhow, not important as I am 3D printing my figures, and also make them available to everyone else who is interested to use 19th century figures for their own scenes.

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Posted by crackers on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:38 PM

If you go to their website, N scale figures are illustrated.

Happy modeling      Crackers    Smile

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 10:14 PM

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 9:45 PM

Hi, thanks. I went to their website but could see only H0 figures and items. Maybe i did not search correctly (I searched for "N Scale").

Can you post a link to their N scale figures? Thanks again. :-)

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Posted by crackers on Sunday, June 30, 2019 8:08 PM

AMain Hobbies has N scale figures of horses, boxes and barrels that would be appropriate for your steamboat modeling project.

Happy modeling   Crackers     Smile

 

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Sunday, June 30, 2019 6:04 PM

Another 3D designer whom's services I am using for this project, is "CB", he's making the horses and covered wagons of the settlers for me.

CB's website is: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/cb-s-designs.

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Sunday, June 30, 2019 6:00 PM

I would love to receive these photos. But I am located in Jamaica. However, a frien d of mine will leave the USA in two weeks and come to jamaica. If you really want to send out those special photos (think twice), then please send them to him, and he will bring them to me. But My suggestion is, to make cheap colored photocopies of those special photos, or even to get digitasl copies of them and e-mail them to me.

I'll PM you.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, June 29, 2019 2:16 PM

Hi;

 Being as how they are old,old hard copies from back then, I can get you copies done on a copier.I don't have the negatives anymore either .

NOTE; Never mind the Hippie in the photo of the " River of Commerce " I had just gotten home from seven months in the Hospital. They wouldn't cut my hair.

 I will send them if you post your address in the Message Box. P.S. the Edgewater Princess is H.O.Rail Scale.

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Friday, June 28, 2019 11:04 PM

It wouldn't be a problem for me, if you publish those photos in this thread, too. It is kinda related, and can give me additional ideas.

There are also some paddle-wheel river steamboat groups on Facebook, and I am a member of some of them. Publish the photos there, too, and let me know.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, June 28, 2019 4:12 PM

Anthony !

 Very nice photo of the Far West model. If you can Try to get to the Little Rock Convention Center Hotel site .See if they still have any existing photos of their " Edgewater Princess" that I built for them . If not contact me in the message site and I will send you a photo ( copy) and my River of Commerce model for the Legislative Library in Little Rock( Again  copy ) .Both were done in the eighties. Well, actually the RoC was done in the late seventies and the Edgwater princess was delivered on the day Before I was Traumatized by weather and a tornado caused passing, of a child and the destruction of my business. 

     I tell you this to give some background. The River of Commerce was brass, paper and balsa wood as well as plastic .I had to build it pro Bono to get recognised ! The Edgewater Princess was built because of my friendship with a Board member of Cromwell ,Levy Trumper and Smith, Architects and Engineers  .All from Evergreen Plastic and Brass.

 I had left the firm about a year before to spend more time on my company. I did specialized design drafting. Restoration and Modernisation for the V.A.Hosp System .Plus I did Orthographic Projection drawings  and such. Unusual skill? Nah. Just loved doing it !

       The " Princess " was almost in the Lobby of the Hotel. It was at the Entrance to the original Edgewater Lounge .You should've seen the Riverboat Artwork .I don't know for sure, But I think some were painted around the time the boats existed. If not they were darned good copies, because none were Prints !

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Friday, June 28, 2019 11:26 AM

Thanks for the great comment!

I actually know the Far West from a painting of that time, or maybe from a later time, not sure. First time I am seeing this ship as model! Wood or plastic? Seems it is wood?

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Posted by crackers on Friday, June 28, 2019 10:39 AM

I have plans for the steamboat FAR WEST. If I did not have a project to be completed, I would be inspired to build this model after watching your thread. Great build. I will continue to follow your progress.

Happy modeling     Crackers    Wink

Anthony V. Santos

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Friday, June 28, 2019 1:02 AM

Great insight here! Thanks, Tanker-Builder, for this information. And please feel free, if you have more information on those ships, to share here. Your information might even influence the one or other detail on my ship!

Thanks also for the compliment about my flags! I aim to have one of the most amazing models of the REL when it is finished one day. There will be over an hundred persons on board, and all dressed correctly to the late 1860s! All those extra thigns are in the making as I speak. A number of items have arrived here already but not yet added as other items that are not yet here have to be added first.

Alright, once again: any more knowledge you have - please share it! It will help me a lot!

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, June 27, 2019 5:30 PM

Note:

   The numerous Robt.E.Lees and many others were painted often as needed .The bigger packets were the luxury Steamers of their day. There were at least 8 Lees, 12 Natchez's, and 11 J.M.White's among others . Low pressure boilers didn't take kindly to safeties being capped for more speed .

    It was at least a weekly happening in the Port newspapers to read of another steamer , Big or Small that had blown up! Some was from Plain bad maintenence too. As far as painting many went through collor changes as a matter of budget cuts aas well. I know of two Lees that were the colors of the Confederacy Blu-Grey Uniforms. One J.M.White was painted the colors of the Union battle Flag ie Red/White Blue.( See U.S.Navy 1860's)

     Your Bunting looks good .The Fourth would still be Celebrated on these boats .Also something as mundane as Opening day of the freight and passenger season on the rivers ! Much Ado there .Boats hung with flags ,Bunting Calliopes ( if they didn't have one ) and Bands on the fore -upper deck. Dances and Cotillions once in port .

 There were many that had one thing most models don't show .A Full rail around the top deck .Remember the Cabins on the Texas deck were sometimes used for " First Class Passengers " The further away from the Boiler deck the cooler it was !

    P.S. I forgot to mention .I am taking the Natchez and the Lee and creating The Largest of the J.M.Whites on record . When Done I'll try to post it .

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Thursday, June 27, 2019 4:01 PM

UPDATE

I am lucky and honored to welcome the 3D developer and artist Hrishikesh Adsul who will add his 3D expertise to this project of miine. Hrishikesh is developing the 3D models for the N scale people that will be on the ship, while I give the numbers and type of persons and fashion designs. Those people will then be 3D printed.
1860s N scale people, for 3D printing
Image: the engineers of the Robert E. Lee

There will be engineers, the steam engine workers, the deck hands, officers and the captain, cabin crew, and many many passengers. Some of the passengers will be settlers, goign "westwards". Their covered wagons will be on board, too!

Hrishikesh's URL: https://hrishi7276.artstation.com/

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Thursday, March 28, 2019 6:18 PM



UPDATE

"A Special Day"

Why not to dosplay the Robert E. Lee as she would have been on a very special day! When looking around, each existing model of the Robert E. Lee shows how she would have being seen on a regular day. But there were days, when ships were decorated, in the Olde West. And so - let's do it!





Now my question to those among you with background knowledge of those orignal ships: is the distance between each tricolore okay, or are they placed with too much distance in between (on the side of the ship, not the front)?

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Monday, March 25, 2019 3:42 PM

UPDATE

Pro-Aging Skin Creme

Okay, time for a small update again. Now as before I am waiting for the arrival of a number of items that I need for this ship to arrive, probably by middle of end of April. meanwhile, I can go ahead with some detail painting and the aging (weathering) of a number of parts. And that I did. In the following photos, the model is just loosely put together, no glue yet, as i have to remove many parts to place those additional items on
their places later on.

Before



After



Can you see the subtile difference?
Right, railings are now in mahogany (or mahagony?) and I applied the "pro-aging skin creme" to those balustrade decorations. They needed precision paint work, i could not use a traditional brush. Instead, i used a thin pointed plastic piece for the exact painting.

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Monday, March 18, 2019 1:50 AM

CapnMac82

Check your local shops for "Flickering tea lights."



That's quite some good idea. I just hope, the local shops here have something like that. I also ordered already some of those LED controllers that can make them flickering.  Are those electrical/electronical components of those flickering tea lights heavy? If not, I wonder if you could send me three of them, in case you are okay with that and have a Paypal account (so I can transfer the necessary money to you). But give me some time, as I first have to do a number of other sales prior to that one first.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, March 17, 2019 6:07 PM

Hirnsausen
the "Flame flicker effects control LED light

Check your local shops for "Flickering tea lights."

These can be dissassembled to give you the flicker effects on the cheap, you just need to bypass the battery clips and use your power supply.

They are about US$1.49 over here (versus about 79¢ for a wax tea light), which makes them excellent for kitbashing.

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Posted by PFJN on Saturday, March 16, 2019 6:35 PM

Hi,

That looking great.  It looks like a fun build.  Can't wait to see more.

Pat

1st Group Build

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Saturday, March 16, 2019 4:26 PM

UPDATE

Some More Cargo

Still waiting for many more essential and defining parts to arrive (ordered online from other countries or 3D models being made and 3D prints to come), I just added a few more of the smaller parts by multiplication from existing original parts.

  

Painting almost done. But the rings of the barrels will be some hard work to come...



Any feedback? Would love to hear from you all. Yes

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Friday, March 15, 2019 4:34 AM

Just some photo fun while I am waiting for more parts to arrive...
"Vintage Photos" and "Hatching Sketches".

  



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Posted by Hirnsausen on Sunday, March 10, 2019 5:44 AM

UPDATE

Multiplied Items

Yeah, now it is done - some of the item types are niow multiplied! it was quite easy, andthe quality of the details is excellent. I used too much resin, though - what was too much went into a sea shell.








Painting them now...

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Saturday, March 09, 2019 11:57 AM

Great advices! Big honest thanks! Much appreciated!

I will hay bales there, but they won't be a big part of the cargo, thus not covering up the entire cargo deck. and also not so many that they reach the next deck (but i saw the same photos, I copied many dozens of them into my computer). At the moment, what you see on the photos, are N scale items. But I think, they look too small, and I try to find the same in H0 scale. The rectangual bales were so tiny in N scale, that I did not even make copies of them.

Do you have access to "HO Faller HAY ROLLS and BALES 180907"? Can't get it in Jamaica. And buying on Ebay, the sellers want to send it in parcels instead of a medium or large letter, I cannot afford that. I am wondering, if you can get it, if I could transfer the money with Paypal to you to buy that item and send it to me inside a letter?

And the same with the "Flame flicker effects control LED light fake fire simulation props scenery FEC1P". I can get it on Ebay, but shipping is extremely expensive as they send iut as parcel, too, instead inside a regular letter. I have one, but need two more (for each chimney). Can you get those? And most importantly: do you have a Paypal account i can transfer to? And do you have the time? Big Smile

Glow: I put already a video on one of my above posting shere, showing the glow. At the moment, it is "hand.made" glow flickering, as soon as the first controller arrives, it will look better.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, March 09, 2019 8:37 AM

Hi;

    I like your Bunting .Now that would only be used on a special occassion like the Fourth of July . Also at the dock at Christmas . It was Not commonly kept in place during regular steaming season .

    I also liked your photos ( Aged to Photogravure style .) That is neat . Photogravure , to my knowledge was a browntone that was imparted by the printing process .The " Buffalo Evening News and the Arkansas Democrat" , Newspapers used to print the Sunday inserts that way .

 One more thing .I hope you don't think I am being Picky here . The Boats are my specialty In Proffessional modeling .The Engine Room area you speak of when referring to the boilers is Misguided .The Engine room was between the Paddle-Wheels and therefore NOT visible on the outside .

     Before these bigger boats , there were many where the engine was a " Walking Beam " type .The walking beam was visible above the top deck roof . There were many of those still around as smaller freighters in rivers where the  "Big-Uns "couldn't go .

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, March 09, 2019 8:32 AM

Hi There ;

 To answer your question ."The History of SteamBoats on American Rivers" states . (Library Copy ) while it was possible to have the larger boats exist for years ,It was more common to have them Burn , Blow Up or get salvaged after running firmly aground without the ability to back into the water again . 

 The Steamer Robt.E. Lee as pictured was more than likely the third or fourth one .The Natchez was number three and the famous J.M.Whites went to seven . It was quite common to cap safeties from more steam ! . Boom ! , was the result .

 If you put that glow under the firebox end of the boilers that will be a nice effect . That's the end closest to the wood piles .On those , You can use very small twigs ( Clear Coated ) to be your replacement for the horrible looking wood stacks in plastic .Looking Good -Sir !  T.B.         P.S. You need to remember Cotton Bales back then were stacked to the upper deck completely obliterating a view of the engineering spaces ( The Boilers ) .Also those bales were squared off for transport .Boxed and secured cargo went into the hold ! .

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Saturday, March 09, 2019 3:14 AM

UPDATE

Making More Parts

It's Friday, and I had a little bit time to try for the first time to multiply some of the items i want to use for cargo on the freight deck. The silicon mold was ready now, fully cured.  I removed it from the makeshift glass container, and then took out the existing cargo items. That was, as expected, very easy and straightforward.


Now mixing the two components of the resin together, and also adding a touch of mica pigment (purple) that i had at hand due to my occasional soap making.


The molds are all in place.
    

First some more stairways, windows of different sizes, and doors.


And now more cargo.


But I needed much less of the prepared resin than expected. So what to do with the precious resin? Idea! Some longer time ago, I made a silicon mold that I use for chocolate making, it has shapes from sea shells that I found at the nearby tropical beach. I used one of them for the remaining resin. Not etirely full to the upper edge, but still going to become a nice piece of decoration.


And so, just 10 minutes after I started, I ended up with a number of - still very experimental - resin casts in my molds...


The resin will take 12 hours to harden enough that I can remove it from the molds, but it takes 24 hours to fully cure. Fine with me.

Earlier today I went to Kingston, our island capital where the goats and pigs are walking on and between the roads, to a print shop, and got some additional stuff printed on fabrics (cottom). When you see it, you might get an idea what more comes to my model ship! Can you guess?

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Wednesday, March 06, 2019 11:15 PM

UPDATE

Multiplying the few cargo items I got so far. Important, because i want a cargo deck full of freight as it was been normal during those days of pioneers and Far West development. All essential goods - the basic goods and some first luxury - had to come from the developed East.

See here how I use a makeshift container to create a first silicon mold that I can use later on to multiply things when casting with 2-component resin in it. The silicon is the same 2-component food-grade silicon I usually use to make molds for my self-made chocolate bars (hey, after all i live in jamaica where the cocoa trees grow). As I am typing, the silicon is curing. Takes usually not more than 4 to 6 hours, depending on the wall thickness. About the silicon: I am getting it at a very affordable price from a company in Shenzhen (China), and I made excellent experineces with it in the past. I usually avoid Chinese products but this silicon is a real exception. I can only recommend it. You can even choose if it is transparent or what color and what hardiness (stiffiness) it has when ordering. Depending on the fragility of the original items, I use a highly flexible "610 Grade" silicon or a more stiff "630 Grade" silicon for robust items.


  

Tomorrow the next update, where I will take the silicon out of the container, and remove the original items from the mold. Probably also casting the first resin copies, let's see.

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Posted by Hirnsausen on Wednesday, March 06, 2019 5:03 PM

Not yet an update, just playing around with my macro lenses and multiplying the few deck cargo items I got so far...

I am using the food-grade 2-component silicon that I usually use to make molds for my self-made chocolate bars, to copy some of the existing deck cargo items. First, I cut glass to make the outer boundaries of the silicon mold to come. Then I use icing sugar (with a few drops of water) to "glue" the cargo items to the glass bottom - that prevents them (hopefully) from shifting when I pour in the silicon.
    

And here are some captions with my macro lenses. Since (unprofessionally me) not all of them fit to each other, I had to hold them with my hand when I combined them for some of the photos. Thus that "scope" feature. Smile
And I trimmed some of them as "old" photos...









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