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Rust? Or when do you rust up a ship?

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 4, 2019 12:48 PM

GMorrison

I always laughed at the part in the movie "The Aviator", where Hughes visits the factory where the Spruce Goose is being built, and there are big showers of sparks as the workers grind on the airframe.

 

Wood dust just isn’t so cinematically spectacular as sparks...

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, April 4, 2019 12:45 PM

I always laughed at the part in the movie "The Aviator", where Hughes visits the factory where the Spruce Goose is being built, and there are big showers of sparks as the workers grind on the airframe.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, April 4, 2019 12:37 PM

Hi Amphib;

 Yeah , that is what we practiced aboard the Midway .If it don't have wings and don't move , Paint It !

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Posted by domer94 on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 6:41 PM

cool pic from one of the nyc pilots from fleet week. thought i would throw it in here as a modern example

 

- sorry guess the pic didnt take

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Posted by ejhammer on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 11:36 AM

ejhammer

Ahh yes. Painting. With supevision.

 

EJ

 

 

Forgot to say, this was in 1961 when I was aboard ESSEX.

 

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by domer94 on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10:16 AM

im noticing those guys leaning... must be some 10 degree rolls going on there at least!

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 10:03 AM

Ah yes, salt water, the true universal solent Smile

Another factor is the size of the ship compared to crew size.  Military ships generally have a larger number of crew per displacement than civil ships, so, except in time of heavy operations one has the hands to do cleanup work.  So I generally only make rust buckets of civil vessels.  I do weather military ships some, but not like I do civil ones, especially those that do not carry passengers (cruise ships, for example, seem to be kept quite clean, versus fishing boats).

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by templar1099 on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 4:51 AM

Here is my USS Okinawa in the Med 1987.


"le plaisir delicieux et toujours nouveau d'une occupation inutile"

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 1, 2019 3:13 PM

Yeah, those are old school sailors alright... The Life captions say Jan 1942, and I was wondering on which cruiser the series of photos was taken, and if those guys survived the Solomons campaign. Well this photo answere the question as to which ship. USS Portland, one of the few USN 8” cruisers to survive Guadalcanal.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, April 1, 2019 2:30 PM

Now, those are some black shoes.

I had an old school (read jerk) english teacher in Jr. High who was a former Merchant Mariner.

Why are navy ships gray, according to Mr. Jones?

The navy tried black and the seagulls *** white, the navy tried white and the seagulls *** black, so the navy arrived at a compromise.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 1, 2019 2:13 PM

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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    May 2008
  • From: Wyoming Michigan
Posted by ejhammer on Monday, April 1, 2019 1:50 PM

Ahh yes. Painting. With supevision.

 

EJ

 

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by PFJN on Monday, April 1, 2019 1:37 PM

Hi,

Here is an image of one of the more interesting projects that I ever worked on.  It is a "wooden steam schooner", whatever that actually means.  It was a fascinating little vessel, which unfortuately was eventually scrapped becasuse she has deteriorated so badly.  Admittantly she had been laid up for decades, but you can see the extent of some of the rust (as well as rot) through out the wooden hull Surprise

Pat

 Wapama

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Posted by amphib on Monday, April 1, 2019 12:49 PM

You mention LCVPs as an example. If we extend that to the type of ship that carried LCVPs be it an APA, AKA, APD, or LST and if that ship was on its way to the MED, the deck and boat division personnel had a lot of time on their hands. What better way to use it than to paint. So those boats that were accessible would have a fresh coat of paint. Likewise the portions of the mother ship that were accessible without going over the side would get a fresh coat of paint. That would leave the main ship hull and maybe the outboard side of boats hung over the side to need of freshening up upon arrival.

There's an old Navy saying "If it moves salute it, if it doesn't move paint it"

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Rust? Or when do you rust up a ship?
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, April 1, 2019 11:10 AM

Hi;

     I will keep this short . Has anyone, seen some finely built model patrol boats and marveled at the weathering ? Now the reason I ask . I have spent the better part of my life in, on, and around ships and boats .

       Some of them were wood . Does a wood boat rust ? Nope .Does the hardware on the boat that are steel or iron rust? Heck yes . Now if you don't maintain it ,it will soon have streaks going over the sides too.

      In " Rusting " or "Weathering" ship and boat models folks always seem to get carried away sometimes . A warship , out on patrol or voyaging from say , the States to The Area around The Mediterranian or the Straights of Hormuz Will be rusty and weathered looking .Some moreso than others .You can tell too .

     An Aluminum ship will have rust streaks from the steel fixtures and bulkheads streaking it .But not as bad as an all steel ship . An all steel ship will have rust everywhere .Steel and Iron rust very fast in a salty environment .

      Wooden vessels will have rust showing around through hull fittings and maybe running faintly over the side from Stanchion bases if they are steel . This is common .But many are maintained so well you won't see it .

     Patrol Boats and the LCVPs and such could get a lot of rust that way. Now , remember before you weather your model, Make sure what it's made out of .If wood , the Hull does not rust !  T.B.

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