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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Friday, July 12, 2019 1:14 PM

Thank You Al !

That's one I didn't know about either.  T.B.

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Posted by alross2 on Friday, July 12, 2019 12:26 PM

The Subchaser Archive www.subchaser.org is a great reference source for the WW1 boats.

Al Ross

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, July 11, 2019 12:11 PM

" G " 

     I have built about a dozen.They are good only for conversions and that's it ! As a Rudderow Class it even is lacking .

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, July 11, 2019 12:01 PM

SC1335! Hmmm;

    As I look at that hull I still can't help but think of the aforementioned Patrol Boat that is under the Lindberg label. Why? The hull ! That looks dead on for an example of a Cape/Point Hull!

      Now,That said,the hull form is a useable type for many patrol vessels and support craft during " Nam " But,still comes down to a hull shape and type that has been around for over fifty years.Why? because it works !

    If you take the time to look over the unarmored wheelhouse " E " boat and visualize the torpedo channels closed in ,the shape is again very similar.The German craft exhibited something that most folks don'e even see in their boats ,no matter the size,in Fibreglas. They had a Hook ! What's a  "Hook"?

    It is a portion of the hull toward the Transom ( Stern ) where the Hull ,Under water takes a slight curved shape in reverse of the actual line of the keel.This curve acts like a spoiler and allows the boat to plane faster .If you have a Bass Boat even,if you put a six foot ruler or an absolutely straight 2x4 on the centerline you will see this curve at the Keel.

     It's one of the tricks of the trade to give better performance at speed !And to allow that speed to be reached with minimal plowing ( i.e.- Squatting .)

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, July 07, 2019 6:38 PM

CapnMac82

Working at 1/32 has some adavantages.  That's 3/8" = 1'-0"; so 1/32" (.030") equals an inch to scale.  So, a 10" chock on the plans is 10/32" or 5/16" long, for when you need to order things by size instead of scale.  (5/16 * 25.4 gives 7.9mm)

 

In fact, ordering parts by size for large scale is normal, more so than scale.

Love large scale boats.

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Posted by The Drifter on Sunday, July 07, 2019 6:16 PM

Thank you very much CapnMac for this great information and links. It's going to be a fun task to get her built.

Jeff

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, July 07, 2019 5:52 PM

The Drifter
I am going to start the search for AM now.

You probably ought to start wit ha set of plans, first.

Which will include nifty things like sizes of bitts, chocks, and the like. 

Ship models are different, you don't generally search for Am per kit name; you really need to shop by accessories.  So, you want a search like "1/32 ship accessories." 

Good news is that the 40mm and 20mm can be sourced from a couple places at this scale.  Bitts, chocks, davits, etc., are going to be "PT-sized" but ought to be really close in size.

You may not find a lot of PE, other than very generic.  At 1/32, you really can do actual stanchions fo rlifelines rather than PE, too.

https://www.harbormodels.com/stra.html

https://www.model-dockyard.com/acatalog/Billing_Fittings.html

https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace/miniatures/ships?tag=1%2F32

https://hrprod.com/32.html

Working at 1/32 has some adavantages.  That's 3/8" = 1'-0"; so 1/32" (.030") equals an inch to scale.  So, a 10" chock on the plans is 10/32" or 5/16" long, for when you need to order things by size instead of scale.  (5/16 * 25.4 gives 7.9mm)

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Posted by The Drifter on Sunday, July 07, 2019 8:10 AM

GMorrison

This is going to be interesting, Drifter. You know of course the model will be about three feet long.

 

 

LOL...I do Bill. I have a spot in mind when I finish her. I plan on taking my time and enjoying it. I am going to start the search for AM now. Thank you again Bill for your help.

The original USS SC 1335

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Scale Model Version

Jeff

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, July 06, 2019 10:55 PM

This is going to be interesting, Drifter. You know of course the model will be about three feet long.

 

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Posted by CG Bob on Saturday, July 06, 2019 9:31 PM

 

 

The USCG 95' CAPE Class design appears to be  the basis of the Vietnan era PGM fleet, which ranged from 95 to 101'.

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Posted by The Drifter on Saturday, July 06, 2019 7:26 PM

CapnMac and TB,

Thank you very much gentlemen for the great information, and insight. The below ship is the one I just ordered. I look forward to building her. I will make sure to do a WiP so I can gain your thoughts and opinions.

SCI Class Sub-Chaser Boat Kit 37-1/2" 1/35 Dumas

SCI Class Sub-Chaser Boat Kit 37-1/2" 1/35 Dumas

Thank you again everyone for your help, and for taking the time to search the online  for me. It is greatly appreciated.

Jeff

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Saturday, July 06, 2019 7:23 AM

Hi Drifter !

    I have to say. The top vessel looks like it could've been the fore-runner of the C.G. 80 and 95 foot cutters, the Capes and Points. Now the lower ship looks exactly (Well,Almost ) like the Pyro/Glencoe/Lindberg W.W.1 Subchaser .Those are the ones I have converted mainly to Old school Motoryachts .

 Now the top vessel can be had as a relatively nice Cape Class,Yes it's from Lindberg, Life-Like/Pyro, but it's fairly straight-forward .The Glencoe boat is harder to find,but yes it has issues.Don't let that put you off .

    The Lindberg Minsweeper/Subchaser is a representation of a steel boat. By no means accurate, but, a lot of fun for conversions .I converted my last one to a Oceanographic Research Vessel, Complete with Minisubs and R.O.Vs

 I am now in the process of doing a Bluejacket Style( Wood ) from BAD Shipmodels to the " Wild Goose' ( John Wayne's Yacht )       Tanker--Builder

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Thursday, July 04, 2019 1:16 PM

The Drifter
That would be pretty fun to scratch build everything.

1:35/1:32 being a "PT Boat" scale, there are some good accessory "bits" available.  Which would mean you'd only be on the hook to get the deck and dechhouses built right.

You'd probably want to set up an eBay search for cheap and partially-built PT-109 in 1/32 to get pilothouse parts and some fiddly bits.

And, not to be ignored, there are a wealth of figures available to populate such a kit.

Only real hard part would likely be the 1/32 "K" gun depthcharge mortars and racks.  But, you might be able to get one of the 3D printers to scale you up some from a smaller scale (which would be spendy).  The racks might be a good excuse to invest in a DIY photoetch kidt (maybe).  But, 1/32 is pretty "forgiving" for using Plastruct or even sheet brass for the bits.  (At 1/32, 0.030 is near enough to 1/2"

Oh, and this mught be a terrible good excuse to build a 1/35 LCVP and/or a PT.  Which would give yo a model around a foot long, another about 3 feet, and the SC at around 4 feet Smile  A lot of linear feet, but they'd pretty much all fit on a 12" deep shelf (mostly)

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Posted by The Drifter on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 7:41 PM

Great info Bill....I have never been a big fan of Squadron. I usually buy from Amazon, Scalehobbyist and HobbyLinc. Thank you for the info and heads up.

Jeff

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 7:03 PM

Pretty ancient kit.

Technically the DeLong isn’t a sub chaser. It’s a Rudderow Class Destroyer Escort.

Ive never built that one and have no love for Lindberg. I’ve tried...

Another thing to beware of. Squadron seems to be out of stock of a lot, and they’ll suggest they can get it for you, but it’s not dependable much anymore. If you see something on eBay or Amazon, grab it.

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Posted by The Drifter on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 6:25 PM

GMorrison

Your S.C. 23 sure looks like the Glencoe 1/74 S.C. 96, an Elco built boat launched in 1917 and scrapped in 1924.

That was an Ideal/ ITC original.

That would be a nice model to find.

 

Bill

EDIT: $ 129.00 on Oldmodelkits.com.

Maybe not...

 

Hello Bill,

I totally agree with you. I had both the SC 23 and SC 96 up online comparing them and they look identical. The only difference is the SC 23 is 1/35th scale. I did some research on the Glencoe SC 96 and I found that most who built it complained that the molding was very out dated because all the pieces had a lot of flashing. About 60% of them stated they had to scratch build certain pieces because they broke the original pieces while trying to clean off the flashing. Thank you for your help sir. 

Jeff

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Posted by The Drifter on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 6:14 PM

the Baron

I had the same thought as Cap'n Mac, that maybe Lindberg did one.  It'd be an off-scale, though.

I had a look at the website of Round2, who now own the Lindberg catalog.  They have a destroyer escort, USS Delong, and sure enough, it's in 1/300 scale:

http://round2corp.com/product/uss-delong-destroyer-escort/

They've also got a destroyerr and a minesweeper, albeit in 1/250 scale.

 

Brad,

Thank you very much for the lead, and information. I am on a major ship addiction right now LOL, and the top photo of the WWII chaser would be a blast to build. The Linberg is a nice kit. Thank you again sir.

Jeff

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 2:33 PM

Your S.C. 23 sure looks like the Glencoe 1/74 S.C. 96, an Elco built boat launched in 1917 and scrapped in 1924.

That was an Ideal/ ITC original.

That would be a nice model to find.

 

Bill

EDIT: $ 129.00 on Oldmodelkits.com.

Maybe not...

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Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 2:08 PM

I had the same thought as Cap'n Mac, that maybe Lindberg did one.  It'd be an off-scale, though.

I had a look at the website of Round2, who now own the Lindberg catalog.  They have a destroyer escort, USS Delong, and sure enough, it's in 1/300 scale:

http://round2corp.com/product/uss-delong-destroyer-escort/

They've also got a destroyerr and a minesweeper, albeit in 1/250 scale.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by The Drifter on Sunday, June 30, 2019 5:23 PM

CG Bob

Loyalhanna Dockyard offers a 1/32nd scale fiberglass hull for the WWII Sub Chaser; it's listed under the Micro Glass Hulls in "Kit Selections".  It's 41.25" LOA and 7" Beam.  You'll have to scratch build almost everything from the deck up.  

 

Thank you CG Bob....i appreciate the information. That would be pretty fun to scratch build everything.

Jeff

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Posted by CG Bob on Saturday, June 29, 2019 9:51 PM

Loyalhanna Dockyard offers a 1/32nd scale fiberglass hull for the WWII Sub Chaser; it's listed under the Micro Glass Hulls in "Kit Selections".  It's 41.25" LOA and 7" Beam.  You'll have to scratch build almost everything from the deck up.  

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Posted by The Drifter on Saturday, June 29, 2019 6:21 PM

Bruce and EdGrune,

Gentlemen thank you very much for this great information. I found a 1/350 one at Squadron and Amazon. I don't know why...I shouldn't say that. I read a book a few months back (US Subchasers in Action) and it's got me wanting to build one. Thank you again for helping me with this.

Jeff

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  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Saturday, June 29, 2019 5:28 PM

hogfanfs

Drifter,

Here is one that is 1/350: Here

 

That one, as well as the first photo posted by the OP is a 110' wooden subchaser.  The Navy also operated a 173' steel subchaser 

This is by Iron Shipwright in 1:350 scale resin & brass.   L'Arsenal also makes one in 1:350 scale (the USN transferred several to the French to help rebuild their navy after the war).

Iron Shipwright also makes a 1:160 scale resin & brass 173' steel subchaser.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by hogfanfs on Saturday, June 29, 2019 4:48 PM

Drifter,

Here is one that is 1/350: Here

 Bruce

 

 On the bench:  1/48 Eduard MiG-21MF

                        1/35 Takom Merkava Mk.I

 

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Posted by The Drifter on Saturday, June 29, 2019 3:02 PM

CapnMac82

From (potentially faulty) memory, there are some resin kits of sub scasers.  There may be an ancient Lindberg SC, with potentially limited accuracy, and unicorn availability.

There are plans available of at least a couple of the ones given a "class."  They are nice simple hull forms and would be good scratch build candidates.

Armaments and accessories are available in a number of scales, too.

Dunno.  That's the 2¢ I can come up with.

 

Thank you CapnMac...I appreciate the information.

Jeff

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, June 29, 2019 2:59 PM

From (potentially faulty) memory, there are some resin kits of sub scasers.  There may be an ancient Lindberg SC, with potentially limited accuracy, and unicorn availability.

There are plans available of at least a couple of the ones given a "class."  They are nice simple hull forms and would be good scratch build candidates.

Armaments and accessories are available in a number of scales, too.

Dunno.  That's the 2¢ I can come up with.

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  • From: Southeast Kentucky
WWII Sub Chaser
Posted by The Drifter on Saturday, June 29, 2019 2:15 PM

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone could help me find a WWII Sub Chaser. I have found one at Mega Hobby but it looks like a late WWI chaser. The first photo is of a WWII chaser and the second is of a WWI chaser. Thank you for any suggestions.

Jeff

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