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Built Greatness, Forgotten Class, Forgotten Beauty

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  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Built Greatness, Forgotten Class, Forgotten Beauty
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, October 24, 2019 7:03 AM

Hi;

     Visualize this. It's a foggy morning. You are on the Philidelphia waterfront. Through the early morning mist you come upon what was once a great Liner. As you look through the mist you don't see the toll weather and neglect has taken on this great lady. 

    Now Visualize this. The same great ship. Nestled snugly next to a quietly classy pier. Her deck-lights aglow as she is readied for another day of Conventions. The lights are on in the cabins that are available as Hotel Rooms.

      You look and say " She Lives,Truly" But for the poor forlorn vessel in Philly ,no one will ever say that. True, She was the last great " Queen" to garner the " Blue Riband" for her crossing.

  We have the same thing here in Texas. Where she is kept, the U.S.S. Texas got not enough Traffic to keep her in Bristol Fashion. She desperately needs work. Will she be saved or will she become another lost forgotten icon of another age?

       I for one find it disdainful that our great country is so full of folks that choose to ignore our Maritime History. Sure ,we throw money at W.W.2 carriers . What about the civilian or military ships that Changed, Twisted and Forged new ways to do their jobs.

       Did you know that the " Plant" in the S.S.United States was very similar if not identical to the ones used on the last classes of Non-Nuclear Carriers? What does that get her? An ignominous place ,forgotten, place on the waterfront. Oh yes, the Queen in Long Beach gets all the attention. Why is it that we can restore a "British Flagged Liner" for a display in an American Port but for Money only,Choose to ignore the last of ours that captured that Ribbon ?

      I will say this . Maritime history is fascinating. Look at the " Eagle Boats". All these years trying to save and promote our maritime History in miniature and even in Museums.  Never had one mentioned or talked about. Why?

      Yes,I agree, A ship, large or small, Can be a "large hole in the water into which we pour money in prodigeous amounts" is true. Now that said are the Carriers any cheaper? Do they have the capabilities as Convention centers and Hotels?  Nope.

      Plus a Carrier( Don't get me wrong), I helped open up the Hornet in Alameda, requires much more than just a flat-topped ship at a pier. She requires interesting displays And the largest collection of extra gear ( Read in Airplanes ) to be able to involve and interest folks.

       Planes cost a whole lot more than Say, a room for the night and a working restaurant on board. Please think about it before they decide to scrap her! 

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 24, 2019 9:59 AM

Are you saying that the Hornet is about to go to the breakers beach??

Yikes! This comes at an ironic moment. I’m far enough along on Midway that I’ve been looking for an Essex to use my remaining PE and other stuff on and to display side by side.

I have the Long Hull Shangri La kit reposed from the Renwal molds. Contrary to what I remember, it’s pretty much unbuildable without a lot of work. So I may pick up a Short Hull Revell kit, and Hornet came to mind. Hmm...

My daughter lives right over there in Oakland so I do get up there.

Ive got a friend, a retired Dr., who served on her in the sick bay out at Yankee. He was a volunteer and did a lot of work to restore that part.

Bill 

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Thursday, October 24, 2019 10:37 AM

I believe that he is referring to the potential scrapping of S.S. United States, the former luxury liner. And yes, like the Queen Mary in Long Beach, United States could make a fine hotel and convention center, and could flourish if placed in the right port. What's the line; "location, location, location". That would be the key. Unfortunately, New York City would be the most classic site, as that seemed to be the iconic arrival and departure point on the East Coast. But the Big Apple is already packed with hotel space and such, so I don't think it would fly. Where else would it fit? The big question, along with who would sponsor the project.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
    August 2014
  • From: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posted by goldhammer on Thursday, October 24, 2019 10:48 AM

Just off the top of my head, how about Seattle.....and possibly Bill Gates and his Microsoft fortunes.

It is sad that some of the most iconic vessels aren't able to be kept as living history, and those that are, are going to be going downhill as the folks that served on them pass on and less interest is generated to keep them up.

After WWII an effort was made to preserve Enterprise, but enough $$$ couldn't be raised.  People wanted to forget the war and get back to "life", so she succombed to the torches.  It makes you want to cry with some of them that have gone.

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 24, 2019 10:55 AM

The SS United States would be problematic. I had a room mate who was working on a restoration of her in the 1980's. He had access to a lot of the drawings.

The decks have a lot of shear and the corridors are relatively narrow. She's been totally gutted a number of times, and never had any wood finishes to begin with.

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

  • Member since
    August 2019
  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Thursday, October 24, 2019 11:02 AM

I look at all of the coastal defense sites on both coasts that were just chopped up after the war, and all of the American Civil War battlefield succumbing to shopping centers. Hell, you hardly ever see a cannon on the courthouse lawn anymore. Makes you wonder what history lessons they kids are still getting in school. I remember when the movie 'Pearl Harbor' came out and kids were shocked when they were told it was based on true events. Over at the Pearl Harbor Attacked forum, we were suddenly inundated with questions.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:06 PM

GMorrison
The SS United States would be problematic. I had a room mate who was working on a restoration of her in the 1980's. He had access to a lot of the drawings. The decks have a lot of shear and the corridors are relatively narrow. She's been totally gutted a number of times, and never had any wood finishes to begin with.

Queen Mary prceded a bunch of Accessibilty requirements, and has waiver for most of the rest.

SSUS would require substantial remediation to be made an accessible hotel & convention space.

Not saying it would be a horrible plaan, but even as a museum ship she'd need extensive work.  Which ought to be a little bit expected for a troop ship meant to be a part-time liner between wars, only to have that role vanish on her.

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, November 3, 2019 3:25 PM

You Know;

   You are right about accessability. But,She did have those great wide passenger boarding doors in her sides. Now here's another Thought. Who has the only Liner/Freighter ever propelled by the mating of atoms with water? The U.S., Yup,The N.S. Savannah! She too seems headed toward an ignominious end as well.

   Sad too.The world's only ship of her type. Concerning Maritime history, the Citizens of the U.S. Are laggards and total ignoramuses. So much history and we just throw it away. What's wrong with us? The Love of $$$$$$$$. Sorry didn't mean to rant. Please accept my apology?

 I was not born here. But I certainly thought after growing up here in the Forties and Fifties the U.S. would appreciate the History I was taught to love and revere. I guess not. Granted, she ( The U.S.) is still ,to Me, the greatest country in the world. Mistakes and all!! 

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