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Hiryu - A comedy of errors

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Hiryu - A comedy of errors
Posted by Real G on Sunday, July 19, 2020 7:53 AM

I like building all kinds of models, but I generally steer clear of ships.  The demands of adding intricate details in order for the model to look right frankly scares the heck out of me.  But I got roped into building the Hiryu for a club project.  It has languished for a long time, but another guy who is doing another carrier prodded me back into action.

So here is where I'm at:

I had begun to add railings, but kept grabbing previously done areas.  I had to redo the fantail area twice already.  I'm just not good at this.

How do you ship guys do this kinda stuff?!  My best effort is all gappy and junky.  And I gotta do several more of them!

I think defusing a roadside bomb would be more relaxing!

Awww, look at all of those teeny little boats.

And then it started.  The old AMS kicked in and before I knew it, I was using PE ladders to make window frames.

So what's next?  Those Nano-Dread aftermarket bits and pieces?  PE watertight doors?  Crew?  Indifferent

See, this is exactly why I avoid the 1/700 ship rabbit hole.  I know it goes really deep, but never wanted to go in.  I will TRY to maintain a sensible balance between adding detail and getting this thing built.  Oh nuts, there are airplanes too...

 

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:21 AM

He-He!

 I have to thank you for a tongue in cheek chuckle. What'sa matta you, You no lika meataballs? This isn't a comedy of errors. It's just a learning thing. Yer lernin Dude!

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Posted by Real G on Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:34 AM

Thanks TB, I'm just out of my element and feeling kind of lost.

Attsa matta me?  I like-a the meatballs! Big Smile

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Posted by Greg on Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:43 AM

Good post, G. It's funny.

I'm with you in so many ways regarding ships. I used to build them as a kid, loved them. I recall the carrier taking forever, but by golly I finished it.

But I'm too particular now and a carrier would take me several lifetimes. Rabbit hole is spot on.

Back to point, looks like you're doing a fine job. Be interested in following this from a fellow 'love 'em but scared of 'em' perspective.

 

-Greg

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, July 19, 2020 8:54 AM

You are doing fine.

Put the model on a base. Temorary to start with and move it to a nice one later.

Temporary base:

Scribing rig. This is shown after I had already marked the hull and applied tape, to illustrate the set up:

Masking at stern:

She was only one of two carriers ever built with the island on the port side.

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Posted by Real G on Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:05 AM

Greg,

I’m a busybody, so I keep track of what is happening in the 1/700 world of ships despite not being inclined to partake in it.  And what I see today is alarming - the level of detail people are packing into their kits is beyond belief.

I too dabbled in ships when I was small, but it was good enough to just use tube glue to get everything together so you could start playing with the airplanes on the carriers.

Now I feel like a little kid in a soap box derby car showing up at Le Mans.  I am total roadkill!  Still, I’m gonna do my best to push this one across the finish line.

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Posted by Real G on Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:11 AM

GM,

That is a great idea!  I’m gonna do that ASAP, because I smooshed another fantail railing today.

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Posted by gregbale on Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:59 AM

While I feel your pain -- particularly the bit about "grabbing previously done areas" [oh, the stories I could tell....] -- you can't really be claiming a 'proper' case of AMS these days without having gone to Shapeways for those 'few extra' items...and end up dropping 8x the price of the original kit on those seductive resin accessories.

Big Smile

Cheers

Greg

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, July 19, 2020 3:27 PM

You could always build her as she looked on the morning of June 5th...

 

 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Real G on Sunday, July 19, 2020 3:30 PM

gregbale

While I feel your pain -- particularly the bit about "grabbing previously done areas" [oh, the stories I could tell....] -- you can't really be claiming a 'proper' case of AMS these days without having gone to Shapeways for those 'few extra' items...and end up dropping 8x the price of the original kit on those seductive resin accessories.

Big Smile

Cheers

Oh I’m not done yet.  After mocking the Nano Dread stuff, I took a closer look at them last night.  I might get some sets to bump up the anemic kit details.  But since the model is part of a GB, I’ll need to match everyone else’s level.

Although I already have PE for the planes, I would imagine someone like Shapeways has fully detailed 1/700 IJN Kates, Vals and Zeros.

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Posted by Real G on Sunday, July 19, 2020 3:37 PM

stikpusher

You could always build her as she looked on the morning of June 5th...

A bombed out ship is even more work than an intact one Stik!  Besides, the “snapshot time frame” for the project is the morning of December 7, 1941.

We have a guy who is really deep into the history of Pearl Harbor directing us, so I “only” have to build the model based on information he and others have provided us with.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, July 19, 2020 6:02 PM

Well, one of the places you have gotten to is the stop the PE and paint, or try and paint around fragile PE?

Because it's Hiryu, you do have an advanatace fr not having a lot of galleris ans serach light platforms with Chestnut linoleum decks.

However, becasue it's Hiryu, you are facing the need to mask and paint the disruptive deck pattern.  Which is likely death to installed rails given the number of colors required.

But, there is a very real possibility you need a different deck color than the sides--thhis is a bugabear most of the time.  As you either have to brush paint or mask

And "complete" 1/700 aircraft--LOL.  They now come as microscopic kits unto themselves.  Separate landing gear, PE to make canopy frames, struts, nona-decals, the works.

Do not even browse shapewaps for the AA fit, they will exist.  And they will tease you with their teen, microscopic, beauty.  Or for crew, for that matter, which will come in blocks of a 50 or a hundred at 1/700, and far easier to deal with than PE crew.

It's a rabbit hole.  To Alice's Looking Glass, and the Red Queenawaits within and a Cheshire cat laughing at you the whole time.

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Posted by Real G on Sunday, July 19, 2020 7:07 PM

DId Hiryu have disruptive camo on its flight deck during the PH attack?  The flight deck and the guns are still loose so painting the galleries will not be an issue. I’ll finish the railings and add any sidewall details, then paint.   Yeah I’m grateful there are no linoleum decks to deal with.

Unless Shapeways has switched to SLA printers, I’m gonna pass on their products.  I have examples from them using the FDM machines, and do not like them.  I think I’ll draw the line at origami PE aircraft canopies.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, July 19, 2020 7:30 PM

To be clear, Shapeways is the store. The product is made by their vendors. Quality varies. 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, July 19, 2020 9:21 PM

I don't believe that Hiryu ever had camo on the flight deck.

Here someone made a model of a bombed out Hiryu 

https://images.app.goo.gl/8cKPRM2E6rFzw1oDA

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Posted by potchip on Monday, July 20, 2020 9:12 AM

Ah...good old aoshima Hiryu. That brings back memories.


I was once young, and tended to overreach. Dreamt of a midway fleet and proceeded to detail up an aoshima hiryu and converting a hasegawa 3-deck akagi to the full deck version (yes how foolish).

Then Fujimi came up with better respective kits for both, and Hasegawa also popped their own Akagi to nail the door shut.

What do I have to show for it? 2 islands (and a half converted Akagi hull). That was that.

 

Yours will most definately be completed for the GB. 

If you plan to use any of the aftermarket type 89 AA guns (eg nanodread), you have to fix up the Aoshima hull. Basically you need to add about 1mm to the hanger level (where they join the flight deck) because, Aoshima made them too low and anything else there will touch the flightdeck otherwise.

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Posted by Real G on Monday, July 20, 2020 12:32 PM

Those bridges look fantastic Potchip!  And THAT is the reason I avoid ship models.  Sorry to disappoint, but I will not be taking the old kit to your level.  Unless the other guys do.  But I'm not showing them your photos!

Oh and thank you for the Nano Dread heads up.  Crummy kit guns it is then!

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, July 20, 2020 12:32 PM

Tojo72
I don't believe that Hiryu ever had camo on the flight deck.

Not so much "camo" as the distinct painting on her deck.  Three sets of stripes, the "fan" of diagnonas on the foreward potion, the giant "meatball" and the contrast of tan and grey   metal decks.  The red and white stripes on the fantail will be exciting, too.

Now, how much of that was "artist's conception" is subject to question.  Both Aoshima and Fujimi put the scheme on their box art, too.

Back to OP, in case you really need insanity, Lion-Roar has a complete brass replacement deck for the Aoshima kit Smile

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Posted by Real G on Monday, July 20, 2020 12:49 PM

CapnMac,

IIRC the carriers did not have the hinomaru nor the katakana first letter of their names on the deck at the time of Pearl Harbor.  I'll need to check on the red and white stripes tho.

There is a Lion Roar detail set?  Aw see, you guys are not helping me keep this project simple!

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, July 20, 2020 1:21 PM

I always put on the main deck railing last, for The reason noted.  For intermediate decks I do the railings as last step before gluing that deck into the superstrucure.  I paint the railings on the fret, and touch up any brass marks that end up showing through the paint.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 20, 2020 1:26 PM

Don Stauffer

I always put on the main deck railing last, for The reason noted.  For intermediate decks I do the railings as last step before gluing that deck into the superstrucure.  I paint the railings on the fret, and touch up any brass marks that end up showing through the paint.

Ditto

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Posted by potchip on Monday, July 20, 2020 6:17 PM

Hiryu did have the letters as well as the red/white stripes but no meatball during Pearl. Unlike USN during the early phase of the war where carriers operate as taskforces centred on individual carriers and not carrying IDs to keep the enemy guessing, IJN carriers operate as a fleet and IDs are there to help airgroups land back to their home carrier easier. 

 

Here's a good example of Hiryu/Soryu during Pearl by YuCong

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=35005

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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, July 20, 2020 8:56 PM

Real G

CapnMac,

IIRC the carriers did not have the hinomaru nor the katakana first letter of their names on the deck at the time of Pearl Harbor.  I'll need to check on the red and white stripes tho.

There is a Lion Roar detail set?  Aw see, you guys are not helping me keep this project simple!

 

Hasegawa 1/350 Akagi depicts her at Pearl Harbor.They indicate the katakana, and the red and white stripes.Are they wrong ? I would think they researched their superb kit, but I couldn't say.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 20, 2020 11:32 PM

stikpusher

You could always build her as she looked on the morning of June 5th...

 

 

 

Kleiss said that when his bomb exploded, the deck rose up and rolled back like...a taco.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:05 PM

Tojo72

 

 

Hasegawa 1/350 Akagi depicts her at Pearl Harbor.They indicate the katakana, and the red and white stripes.Are they wrong ? I would think they researched their superb kit, but I couldn't say.

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Wow, that's a lot of russet/chestnut linoleum on that lower deck--I would not have imagined that.

And that "bow fan" is longer than the later paint scheme, too.  The deck stripes look to be a bear, either really long, fussy, decals, or a boat ton of masking.

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Posted by Real G on Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:34 PM

When I looked at that wrecked Hiryu build I thought the hollowed out bow was not really convincing until I saw photos of the actual ship that GM posted.  Boy, the Hiryu really got gutted!

Anyway, thanks guys for all the input - looks like I have my work cut out for me!

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:13 PM

Since I have the attention span of a squirrel, I got the new(er) Fujimi Hiryu and accessory detail set.  Oh man, what a difference!  The Fujimi kit is very detailed and is miles away from the last century Aoshima offering.  A lot of the sponsons and platforms on the side of the hull are separate parts, and they are cleanly molded compared to some of the stuff I have been working on.

No need to say which one is which:

Detail set:

Gaaah, so many teeny parts!

Yes, yes, I know - I should replace the plastic splinter shields with PE.  Ya-ya-ya, unicorn papoi.

I got my modeling knife ready:

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