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USN Battleship Boot Topping--an example.

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USN Battleship Boot Topping--an example.
Posted by CapnMac82 on Saturday, November 28, 2020 11:55 AM

This is BB-64 dressed for the Holidays

As a museum ship, she has no ammo, fuel, or other stores, nor crew aboard, about as light as she can ride.

Note thos numerals are each 6" (15.24cm) tall, and spaced at one foot (12" or 30.48cm) apart.

Form previous visits to the Whiskey, there's about two more feet (60cm) below th ecurrent waterline. 

Or about 14' (427cm) of boot topping. 

This reflects how the Iowas were meant to be the true center of a Battle Group, with extra fuel and stores available to the escorts.  Along with the cumulative effects of fire missions.

Coinside a short of engaement of just ten rounds per barrel.  That's ninety rounds at about two tons each weight expenditure--or about 180 tons (163tonnes).  Which does not include fuel burned or other stores consumed.

At 1/350 that's 0.48" (12.19mm). 

At 1/200 that's 0.84" (21.3mm)

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Posted by ddp59 on Saturday, November 28, 2020 12:47 PM

90 rounds of WW2 16" AP shells would have a total weight of 153.0405 tons.

AP Mark 8 Mods 0 to 8 - 2,700 lbs. (1,225 kg) + AP Mark 8 - 40.9 lbs. (18.55 kg) +  World War II Full Charge - 660.0 lbs. (299.4 kg) SPD 839

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_16-50_mk7.php#Ammunition    

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, November 28, 2020 1:48 PM

No image

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Sunday, November 29, 2020 10:47 AM

No Image!

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:37 PM

Hmmm

Try this again:

Backup image:

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, November 30, 2020 12:51 AM

What genius designed that bow?

1000 crew would weigh 150000 or 75 tons. Gotta be a few feet of displacement.

Fresh water was another one.

Food- those 1000 ate maybe 2000 pounds a day. Thats 30000 a month- 15 tons.

 

Bill

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Posted by amphib on Monday, November 30, 2020 5:47 AM

Not sure what the point is here. However if the ship had been in commission and at sea it probably would never ride that high out of the water. First there is an on board distilling plant so fresh water would be topped off most of the time. And of course the crew can't leave. As for food, fuel, and ammo, the battle group was followed around by a replenishment squadron so as these major supplies were expended they would be replaced. Probably every few days at the most.

Pictures I have seen suggest the boot topping was probably half as high is in this picture. I think what you are seeing here is a much wider boot topping with the top approximately in the right place and the bottom down to cover the whole distance to the out of commission waterline.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, November 30, 2020 6:43 PM

amphib
As for food, fuel, and ammo, the battle group was followed around by a replenishment squadron so as these major supplies were expended they would be replaced.

Not so much during WWII; post war, yes.

WWII boot topping width was increased to reflect the idea of going out full and coming back near empty of ammo and fuel and expendable stores.  About 130 16" rounds per tube were stowed, about 1170 rounds, at 2700# per each, that's 3,159,000 pounds, 1579.5 short tons.  One ton displaces just shy of 31 cubic feet of seawater.

Why they have kept Whiskey's boot top that high is a different question.

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 7:22 AM

Cap'n Mac:

     I gotta ask.Were you at the Museum there ? Did you see the big model inside? I ask because I have a question. Did the builders Plaque say Built by Keith Mullen and " Gunny" Geracci? If it did you now know who " Gunny " is. None other than yer loveable TankerBuilder!

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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 7:28 AM

Hi Bill;

      I don't know the answer to the Bow question. But, I will say any of the Big BattleWagons from both major players in the Pacific had similar Bows. It gives the water a better relief when the bow plunges. The water is spread more along the length and reduces pounding.

     In the Pacific? You need that sometimes. My captain on the Gearing was the one quoted in Reader's Digest, "Humor in Uniform" column, requesting permission to surface. The " Pacific" gets that way often. It doesn't have to be stormy. You just have longer moments sometimes, between waves in that in that monstrous Body of water!

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, December 1, 2020 12:18 PM

And... she's a museum ship.

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:48 PM

GMorrison
What genius designed that bow?

A good question.

Mind, that's actually the bow of USS Kentucky, after the Whiskey pranged USS Eaton.

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:37 PM

The bow of USS Indiana is a valet shelter in a parking lot in Emeryville, CA.

Tanks knows that restaurant- Spenger's.

 

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Posted by ddp59 on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 9:48 PM

http://navsource.org/archives/01/058/015866.jpg

Indiana's (BB-58) bow and mast at Indiana University Memorial Stadium, 14 August 2017

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/58a.htm

Several parts of the ship have been preserved in her namesake state, including one of her anchors, which is on display at the Allen County War Memorial Coliseum in Fort Wayne, Indiana; her bell is at the Heslar Naval Armory in Indianapolis, Indiana; her wheel is at Shortridge High School, also in Indianapolis; and her main mast, prow, and a pair of anti-aircraft guns stand on display at Memorial Stadium of Indiana University. The mast and guns had been donated by the Navy in 1966, but her bow section had been kept in California until 2013 when it was moved to Indiana University. Twenty members of the ship's crew attended the dedication ceremony in September 2013.[17][19] Some of the low-background steel that made up Indiana's hull was recycled to create the low background counting chamber at the in Vivo Radioassay and Research Facility (IVRRF) at Pacific Northwest National Laboratory

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indiana_(BB-58)

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 2, 2020 11:10 PM

Ok was a valet shelter.

moved in 2013.

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