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  • Member since
    October 2005
Posted by CG Bob on Saturday, April 16, 2022 8:09 PM

The closest thing for the hatch clamps might be O scale c-clamps.  

 

  • Member since
    March 2022
  • From: Twin cities, MN
Posted by missileman2000 on Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:26 AM

I have not heard of a laker going down in decdes. The Fitz is the last I remember.

The newer ones are so high I imagine it is hard for much water to wash over the deck even in a Great Lakes storm.

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, April 15, 2022 4:16 PM

Yeah; I know this too.

     BUT, and I use this as well. Have you seen or does anyone remember the Gorgeous Little Liners( Ferryboats) that plied the lakes up till the late 50s? They were certainly unique and I thought some were downright beautiful. The one that sticks in my Mind is the M.V. Canadiana. She and I became quite close over the years.

      First, when I was just a Wee Lad, Grandmama wanted to cross Erie to go to Crystal Beach, Ontario.( it was started as a religeous retreat I think). So down to the docks, Tickets in hand we board this Monstrous( To Me! Ocean Liner). Not so, but what did I know? Glass panels to allow the adventurous children a place to go, inside the ship, to watch all the shiny moving things in the Engine Room!

        There were many of these hardy vessels and some have been done as model Kits in wood. But surprisingly NONE have ever been represented in Plastic. Except that Meng Kit and she was modified for ocean travel so to me although Fascinating, As a kit, she is pricey and outside my regular Budget. And no, she doesn't represent what I am referring to.

 I can't scratch build everything for sure. I would Jump on a plastic version of say the "Mt.Washington" or " City of Buffalo " in 1/35 for instance and hang the cost. They just look so unique!

  • Member since
    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Friday, April 15, 2022 11:31 AM

Tanker-Builder
Why haven't they changed this after all these years?

All ship design is a compromise  A running balance of competing imperatives.

So, "enough" is often a hobgoblin.  

One thing is the actual frequency of major storms.  And that, versus the fact that the Soo Locks cose for about three months ending in April when the lake ice finally starts breaking up.

Aother issue is in navigation--the ships have to fit things like locks and under lift bridges and like, adnd not be deeper than dredged channels, too.

The bulk freighters need to stow "hard" cargo like rock ore and iron pellets.  And they have to be "fast" enough to control labor costs, while at the same time not having high fuel costs (or cargo space reduction for bunker tankage).

There's a reason there are only 13 "thousand footers" on the Lakes.

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    August 2021
Posted by lurch on Friday, April 15, 2022 8:51 AM

That is a great question. I dont have any answers for you. Sorry.

  • Member since
    October 2019
  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
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Posted by Tanker-Builder on Friday, April 15, 2022 8:05 AM

Had an Idea;

      I have often wondered about Great Lakes freighters. What about them makes them so vulnerable to bad weather and why has that NOT been changed in all these years?

   Looking at a Model I recently recieved to build for a client, a great deal of info was included. Including Photos. Some Quite dark as they were copies of copies. They use a system of Flat Plates(Hatch Covers) on top of a wide flange and clamp it down with large clamps all around the edges.

      Talk about a model Deck being"Busy" There's a lot of these clamps in the closure systems. I cannot imagine doing this in 1/700. Bad enough in 1/87. These clamps would be Blobs in most scales. Now, Question. In H.O How do I duplicate them? They are a third the size of a grown Man!

      Next and last thought. Why haven't they changed this after all these years? Ships twist and work in good weather. Can you imagine what the Ships in Huron, and Superior, do in the really bad weather these Lakes can conjure up?

      Especially on a ship designed to fit through the existing OLD canals in this area. Looong and Narrow they are. So does that make them fast? Nope! But it makes them convenient to the infrastructure that exists today. 

    

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