Tamiya USS ENTERPRISE HELP URGENT

armornut

   Well I should be around.

 

I started a thread about the Pibber it would be appreciated if you could give me some advice, I have seen the manual and box art it only turns the way I have it but some on YouTube could face the front so confused 

CapnMac82

 

 

michael151722

have the American Pibber which still needs a little help

 

 

I served on a Mk II, so please start a thread for any questions.

 

I stared a thread you could go take a look!

Thank you

templar1099

I may be late to the party here,but in following this thread intermittently the need to remove and relocate certain parts stuck out. Not knowing the exact parts and location I will say I've had great success with nail polish remover and patience,jiggling etc. Hop it helps.

 

Yeah will try the nail polisher thing

Thank you

CapnMac82

 

 

michael151722

have the American Pibber which still needs a little help

 

 

I served on a Mk II, so please start a thread for any questions.

 

Appreciated, will ask away my questions when I have, Thank you

I may be late to the party here,but in following this thread intermittently the need to remove and relocate certain parts stuck out. Not knowing the exact parts and location I will say I've had great success with nail polish remover and patience,jiggling etc. Hop it helps.

michael151722

have the American Pibber which still needs a little help

I served on a Mk II, so please start a thread for any questions.

 Ah shucks, like my signature line states...." we're modelers, it's what we do".

armornut

   A couple of interesting things about michaels build is that kit is the old square island. Rare as far as I know.

    The key to figuring out the issue was difficult, SMALL language barrier, hit and miss photos of instructions and build, MY TECH ISSUE not OP!  The glitch turned out to be a print error, there was a directional reference arrow that was labeled " Bow" when actually it was pointing aft. This lead the builder to believe a couple parts were to be incorrectly installed thus causing fit issues with the forward flight deck.

    Once those parts were correctly instalked in proper location, the OPs pix seemed to show a good fit. I asked that finushed photos be loaded so all of us can see that beast in all its glory.

 

 

 

It fits snuggly under the E4&E5 now once it clicked it clicked, but I still have to sandpaper a bit to smooth out the edgess to makes sure they fitted properly. I am missing some parts in which I just ordered from Tamiya will have to wait 9 weeks for it to arrive so will work on other stuff before completing the final build, will definitely show pics when done. Started this during Covid in the Summer of 2020, and took me a while to build most of it, than after I hit that bottleneck and life got busy so I put it down till recently and thanks to you is finally closer to completion

Wilbur Wright

I built this great kit in the 1990's with the GMM photo etched radars etc.  

If I remember correctly there were small screws to hold the deck to the hull?

I also remember having to wrestle with some large parts holding them strong while using (at the time Tenax 7R plastic welder) which works very fast in bonding parts.

Do not try to rush things is always good advice on a large project like this. 

Though old, This is an incredible model of the Big E at that stage of its life.

 

Yeah I was thinking of adding them later but I still have some detailing to do so I won't screw things together just yet but finally figured out the problem was great!

   A couple of interesting things about michaels build is that kit is the old square island. Rare as far as I know.

    The key to figuring out the issue was difficult, SMALL language barrier, hit and miss photos of instructions and build, MY TECH ISSUE not OP!  The glitch turned out to be a print error, there was a directional reference arrow that was labeled " Bow" when actually it was pointing aft. This lead the builder to believe a couple parts were to be incorrectly installed thus causing fit issues with the forward flight deck.

    Once those parts were correctly instalked in proper location, the OPs pix seemed to show a good fit. I asked that finushed photos be loaded so all of us can see that beast in all its glory.

I built this great kit in the 1990's with the GMM photo etched radars etc.  

If I remember correctly there were small screws to hold the deck to the hull?

I also remember having to wrestle with some large parts holding them strong while using (at the time Tenax 7R plastic welder) which works very fast in bonding parts.

Do not try to rush things is always good advice on a large project like this. 

Though old, This is an incredible model of the Big E at that stage of its life.

   Well I should be around.

armornut

AWESOME!! Thank you for letting me know I was right.  I may have to bring my kit out of storage and start it.

     Looks great michael.

 

Its all Thanks to you, again Thank you so much appreciated all the help I got, have the American Pibber which still needs a little help might bug you againa bit later

AWESOME!! Thank you for letting me know I was right.  I may have to bring my kit out of storage and start it.

     Looks great michael.

armornut

Welcome.

 

Thank you looks great now 

Welcome.

armornut

 Yessir, A2 from front left to right "starboard" back.

   Look from wide end to narrow end, that is aft to forward.

   Move A2 from side of left narrow end to right side wide end.

 

Thank you, Appreciate all the help man

 Yessir, A2 from front left to right "starboard" back.

   Look from wide end to narrow end, that is aft to forward.

   Move A2 from side of left narrow end to right side wide end.

armornut

  Your welcome, glad to help. Good luck and please post a finished pic. Thanks for your patience. Thst was a tough one

 

Will do, thank you so so much for your help? But what I said above is what u meant right? And will post pics but might take a week or so to finish it up first.

Thank you

  Your welcome, glad to help. Good luck and please post a finished pic. Thanks for your patience. Thst was a tough one

armornut

   Correct michael, A2 should NOT be on left front.

 

Nvm I think I totally get what you mean after studying instructions, A2 is not suppose to be that in front on the left it should be grouped with the other A pieces and near the metal piece that goes underneath the ship but still on the left side.

Thank you 

   Correct michael, A2 should NOT be on left front.

michael151722

I am trying wrap my head around it, so from all the pictures I sent, A2 is not supposed to be on the front of port side but the manual states "attaching hull parts to port side",

You have hit upon my number one gripe about kit instructions:  Using precisions terminology (jargon) imprecisely.

Mixing directional words is a recipe for disaster.  Instructions ought never use both "right" and "starboard" for directions. 

In English, "right" could mean "correct," or "to return to normal," even "an inalienable ability."  "Starboard" generally will neatly be Steurbord in German, Stuurboord in Dutch, even estribor in Spanish.

Sorry, it's a particular gripe of mine.  That, and dumping the technical writing off on people who have no idea what they are writing about (see writers of Pontos instructions).  My 24 years in the US Navy, and a lifetime submerged in precision terminology, does not help in the slightest (neither does being a bit of a polyglot).

Now, as to how to get long-cemented parts loose, you may want a product like this:  https://www.amazon.com/Tamiya-America-Photo-Etched-Craft-TAM74094/dp/B003JTGZY4

The removed bits may need shimming with thin cardstock plastic to replace the material lost to the teeth of the saw. 

An alternative might be to use a scribing tool and lots, and lots, and lots of patinece to sever the mis-placed parts, by cutting around, and around, and around, in endless shallow cuts.

Now, Tamiya is a pretty customer-forward company, it might be, that if you ask them, they will send you replacement sprues of the offending parts.  That would allow you to just chop the offending parts off, and sand the hull smooth again, and replace with the correct parts.

There are many ways to get to the same end point.

the Baron

I have a tip to offer you for posting your photos.  Some show as links, others show the icon for a broken link.

I see that you use PostImage to host your photos.  I use it, too.  What you should do, to make it as fool-proof as possible, is to select the "Hotlink for forums":

 

Thank you so 

Don't use the Insert tool, just paste that link right into the body of your post.  When you save the post, the forum's software will show the picture. My picture above is stored at PostImage, and that's what I did to show it here.

Here's one of your pics, posted using this method.

 

Thank you that helped

armornut

 Whew ,I think we are on the same page now .  YES part A2 should be removed from the Port bow and placed in location Aft Starboard side. This should allow your forward flight deck to seat properly. I also believe that relocation of any of the " E" part may not be neccessary.

    Lets work one issue at a time....first remove the part from Port bow and place it Aft starboard. Look closely at manual, it will become clear. DRY FIT!! Forward flight deck and lets see if that fixes the problem.

   Step 3 shows the bow, no A parts installed, a few steps later A2,A16,A17 are installed on Port side Aft of lower hull.

 

Would you explain a little more simpler as I am trying wrap my head around it, so from all the pictures I sent, A2 is not supposed to be on the front of port side but the manual states "attaching hull parts to port side", I am a little confused here. As you said in Step 3: parts are installed on lower hull of port side so which is the side I am currently on. Or am I missing something?

Thank you

I have a tip to offer you for posting your photos.  Some show as links, others show the icon for a broken link.

I see that you use PostImage to host your photos.  I use it, too.  What you should do, to make it as fool-proof as possible, is to select the "Hotlink for forums":

Don't use the Insert tool, just paste that link right into the body of your post.  When you save the post, the forum's software will show the picture. My picture above is stored at PostImage, and that's what I did to show it here.

Here's one of your pics, posted using this method.

 Whew ,I think we are on the same page now .  YES part A2 should be removed from the Port bow and placed in location Aft Starboard side. This should allow your forward flight deck to seat properly. I also believe that relocation of any of the " E" part may not be neccessary.

    Lets work one issue at a time....first remove the part from Port bow and place it Aft starboard. Look closely at manual, it will become clear. DRY FIT!! Forward flight deck and lets see if that fixes the problem.

   Step 3 shows the bow, no A parts installed, a few steps later A2,A16,A17 are installed on Port side Aft of lower hull.

armornut

  Correct, "left short Port", right long Starboard. Forward " bow", back "aft" or stern.

    The link to your manual did not down load on my device however yes the " A" parts that attach to the hull under the flight deck are in the wrong positions, and probably should be swapped left to right, fore to aft. As said look closely at entire picture on manual, MAYBE you can just move a couple to the proper locations and things will fit.

   Wow you type fast LOL, trying to keep up....you are on track to do as I suggested, I recommend continueing that way. When I get a chance....and more coffee...I will try to pull a manual up on my device and formulate more advice to help. I will also try to keep it as clear as I can so things don't get lost in translation.

    Please continue to study your manual and plan your corrections. Slow down, patience serves well in situations like this.

 

https://postimg.cc/gallery/JHnJsrk

Lol I do type fast lol, but the question I have now once you take a look at the images as it says hull port side which means left side so I did attach on left side. Since I just want confirmation before taking things apart. And if you see my other pics the A pieces seem to be quite aligned with other pieces and it looks like perfect sense. As you see from the middle part of the ship it aligns really well with other pieces

Thank you 

  Correct, "left short Port", right long Starboard. Forward " bow", back "aft" or stern.

    The link to your manual did not down load on my device however yes the " A" parts that attach to the hull under the flight deck are in the wrong positions, and probably should be swapped left to right, fore to aft. As said look closely at entire picture on manual, MAYBE you can just move a couple to the proper locations and things will fit.

   Wow you type fast LOL, trying to keep up....you are on track to do as I suggested, I recommend continueing that way. When I get a chance....and more coffee...I will try to pull a manual up on my device and formulate more advice to help. I will also try to keep it as clear as I can so things don't get lost in translation.

    Please continue to study your manual and plan your corrections. Slow down, patience serves well in situations like this.