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Building a 1/200 U.S.S. Arizona before Dec. 7th 1941

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Building a 1/200 U.S.S. Arizona before Dec. 7th 1941
Posted by vipe155 on Wednesday, October 11, 2023 9:42 PM

Hi everyone,

I recently got a nice deal on a Trumpeter 1/200 Arizona.  I'm planning on building the model and converting it to sail as well.

I know about all the heated back and forth about how the ship looked on Dec. 7th.  I'm not really interested in that.  I want to portray the ship earlier in 1941 as she looked when out on maneuvers and gunnery practice that year.

Is there a good modeling book or reference that would cover things pre-Pearl Harbor attack?  Does anyone know what the accuracy cutoff would be for the Trumpeter model before December?  For example, this photo is supposed to be from sometime in 1940/41 and the ship doesn't have it's MK 33 directors yet.

http://navsource.org/archives/01/039/013954.jpg

Tags: 1/200 , Arizona , Trumpeter
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  • From: USA
Posted by keavdog on Wednesday, October 11, 2023 9:49 PM

This December 7th?  Hope you do a build thread as I'd like to watch that.  I don't have any references as I don't do ships but am looking forward to this challenge!

Thanks,

John

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    February 2016
Posted by vipe155 on Wednesday, October 11, 2023 11:17 PM

keavdog

This December 7th?  Hope you do a build thread as I'd like to watch that.  I don't have any references as I don't do ships but am looking forward to this challenge!

 

 
I went ahead and changed the title...I don't even plan to start on the thing until sometime next year.  I'm just trying to get some research together and figure out how the ship was painted before that date.
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  • From: Central Oregon
Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Wednesday, October 11, 2023 11:20 PM

That photo was probably taken in July of 1939, with ARIZONA departing the San Francisco Bay area. The bridge in the photo is the San Francisco - Oakland Bay bridge, with San Francisco in the background. July '39 was the last time ARIZONA was there.

ARIZONA acquired the Mk33 directors, as well as the bird bath, 5"/25 gun shields, and the 1.1" gun tubs during the 1940 / 41 yard period in Bremerton.

I hope this helps; good luck on the build.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, October 12, 2023 9:29 AM

Contact Jeff Herne at Scale Colors paint (Info@ScaleColors.net)  At the recent IPMS Nats, Jeff gave a presentation on the Fleet colors during the summer/fall of 41. Interesting findings.  

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Posted by vipe155 on Thursday, October 12, 2023 12:17 PM

HooYah Deep Sea

That photo was probably taken in July of 1939, with ARIZONA departing the San Francisco Bay area. The bridge in the photo is the San Francisco - Oakland Bay bridge, with San Francisco in the background. July '39 was the last time ARIZONA was there.

ARIZONA acquired the Mk33 directors, as well as the bird bath, 5"/25 gun shields, and the 1.1" gun tubs during the 1940 / 41 yard period in Bremerton.

I hope this helps; good luck on the build.

 

 
Thanks for that information.  I figure that the ship probably wasn't greatly changed in later 1941 and I'd be clear to paint it as it was around May to October 1941 (Oklahoma collision) but I'll have to do some more research.

EdGrune

Contact Jeff Herne at Scale Colors paint (Info@ScaleColors.net)  At the recent IPMS Nats, Jeff gave a presentation on the Fleet colors during the summer/fall of 41. Interesting findings.  

I appreciate the contact information.  Hopefully he can provide some insight.  I'm used to there being some mock up images of different paint schemes for a vessel throughout their service career, but all I ever see on Arizona is December 1941 colors.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, October 12, 2023 2:22 PM

Paul Stillwell's book is a good general reference with many photos.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: New Braunfels, Texas
Posted by Tanker-Builder on Thursday, October 12, 2023 6:42 PM

hi! 

       I have had the experience of doing two of these monsters! The First was in the Medium Blue grey our ships carried BEFORE 1941! Yes. there has been much speculation on her colors that day! Admiral King was noted to drag his feet on these things. Because I guess he figured if the paint ain't peeling, I'll get it done before next sortie!

 I painted the other in a nice dark medium grey with a light overspray of faded Sea Blue. More for color effect than accuracy. She was in transition, as a lot of our ships were in 40-41. I just decided to do what I seemed right. Well, My customers were satified anyway, so that's what counts!

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  • From: North Carolina, USA
Posted by Model Monkey on Friday, October 13, 2023 5:11 PM

GMorrison

Paul Stillwell's book is a good general reference with many photos.

Bill

Concur.  Stillwell's book is excellent.

Another worth considering is David Doyle's book (click here).

The large boxy directors she received by 1941 were actually Mk.19 directors (click here).  On other ships, Mk.19 directors were replaced with Mk.37 directors as those became available and yard periods permitted.

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    February 2016
Posted by vipe155 on Friday, October 13, 2023 8:56 PM

Lots of good advice here.  I contacted Jeff at Scale Colors and received some great paint information.  

One thing I'd have to consider going earlier in 1941 is the fact the Curtiss SOC Seagull was on the Arizona until mid-year.

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