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  • Member since
    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Monday, June 13, 2011 6:38 AM

That is an excellent job so far! I can't wait to see the finished model!

Bill

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    November 2003
  • From: Exeter, MO
Posted by kustommodeler1 on Sunday, June 12, 2011 3:22 PM

 

To add to warship's advice, I am doing a little scratching on mine. I cant add any advice, except to show pics of his advice really.

All the scratch building he suggested, I am doing most of on mine. It's easy to pick out, as all my scratching is done in white plastic which stands out on the grey. Pay no mind to what looks like a poor fit of the deck to the hull. it's not attached yet, just sitting there.

As he pointed out, the sea sparrow radars on the island are from another kit that I am using for parts, and you can see the corrected platforms for everything on the starboard side of the island.

 

This pic shows the landing mirror/lens system, or rather it's deck extension, and the various deck-edge goodies that are on the port side, along with the flight deck extension he mentioned, aft of #2 elevator. Also, with the kit, the port quarter Phalanx deck improperly follows the curve of the hull straight out of the box. It should be mounted parallel to the ship's center line, as you can see by the white plastic strips I used to bring the rear of the deck out.

 

Finally, I have seen some folks miss this- The original mast behind the stack was cut off flush with the top of the flight control on the rear of the island, and a smaller one was added inboard to take it's place.

 

This ship looks like it will build up nicely with a little work, so I say go for it!! Hope this helps!!Toast

 

 

Darrin

Setting new standards for painfully slow buildsDead

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    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:46 AM

One thing I forgot to mention . . . you will need to add bilge keels to the Revell kit.

 Bill

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    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Friday, June 10, 2011 9:42 AM

USN,

Remember, stay away from the Italeri Forrestal class carriers.  They are grossly inaccurate!  Their kits of the USS America and the Nimitz class ships are good, but their Forrestals are poor.  For example, the deep trenches meant to replicate the catapults are incorrectly placed and the Number three catapult extends onto the elevator. There is a bulge on  the starboard side of the island that the real ships do not have.  So much scratch building is required that you may as well scratchbuild the entire kit.

As far as cost is concerned, once you get the necessary tools and equipment, the cost should go down.  You really don't need much more than knives and blades, tweezers, paints, rubber bands, and cement.  Airbrushing is better than spray or brush painting but you can get by without it.  Sprue cutters, optivisors, etc. are also nice but not necessary.  Remember, have fun and build for yourself!

Bill

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    June 2011
Posted by USN2000-present on Thursday, June 9, 2011 3:14 PM

Thanks,

 

 Just wanted to say thanks for all the help and i decided to work on a practice one as mentioned.  I started working on USS Nimitiz 1:720 ITALERI.  It was the first ship i served on so i figured i would practice with her.  I did the research on alot of the materials needed and have spent a pretty penny getting it all.  The funny part was i decided to start modeling to save money and not have to leave all the time and find things to do, that didn't work lol.  I bought a Dremel and some different paints and i am in the process of purchasing an airbrush and compressor.  I will be saving that list of MODs on the Sara for when i am ready for her.  Thanks again for all the help.

  • Member since
    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Thursday, June 9, 2011 2:46 PM

Gold Medal Models makes a 1/542 scale PE set for the Revell Essex/Midway/Forrestal class carriers.  It is set #540-6 and sells for $48.00.

Bill Morrison

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    August 2005
  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 4:45 PM

So USN,  Bill has outlined what needs to happen if you want to 'do it right'.   Print it out and file it away in the box so you can refer to it later.

Go back and re-read Monty's (MFSOB) post and his recommendation to start with a practice kit.   You'll go a long way farther in learning some techniques without the pressure of making it perfect.

Welcome aboard

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    September 2005
  • From: Groton, CT
Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, June 8, 2011 4:24 PM

Welcome!

Please allow me to outline the changes you will have to make. 

1.  The kit does include the radars for the Sea Sparrow launchers on the port quarter but not the  ones on the island for the starboard launcher.  You will need to scratchbuild them, pirate them from another kit, or use PE.

2.  Change the shapes of the JBD's (Jet Blast Deflectors) by scribing them onto the deck or by scratchbuilding them from plastic card.  Check photos for the correct shapes.

3.  The fantail needs detailing, especially around the engine test stand.  Check photos.

4.  The approach lights are missing.

5.  The azimuth dome for the SPN-41 radar is missing. Check photos.

6.  The flight deck extension aft of the Number Two Elevator is missing and needs to be scratchbuilt. Check photos.

7.  The forward boat deck on the port side is missing.

8.  The kit flight deck has six arresting cables and two barricades. I believe the Saratoga actually has four cables and one barricade.

9.  Do not use the lights provided as separate  pieces at each corner of the flight deck.

10.  Update the auxiliary conning station on the island.

11.  Remove the bumps around the elevators.

12.  Add an elevation dome for the SPN-41 radar, a fresnel lens, and the LSO's platform.

13. Replace the antennae from around the flight deck with thinner ones.

14.  Scratchbuild supporting structures under the elevators.

I think I got all of the necessary changes that need to be made to the new version of the Revell 1/542 USS Saratoga.  Or, you could go for the Arii 1/800 kit, which is much better.  Stay away from the Italeri/Revell/Testors Forrestal class ships; they are horrible.

Bill Morrison

  • Member since
    March 2005
  • From: West Virginia, USA
Posted by mfsob on Sunday, June 5, 2011 9:02 AM

Well ... first off, welcome back to the hobby!   Welcome Sign

Second - and I am trying to be gentle here - reduce your expectations. Modeling has come a longggggggg way since we were kids, with new paints, new glues, new techniques, photoetch, resin casting, aftermarket parts, etc., etc. Trying to make your very first effort look as good as some of the efforts on here is going to frustrate you immensely and repeatedly, because modeling is an ongoing learning experience. I look at the first ship I built when I got back into the hobby about 5 years ago - and laugh to/at myself. It helps keep me humble.

I have built 1 - one - aircraft carrier. That was for a friend who's future son-in-law was on it. I don't want to do another one anytime soon because they are large projects that can be quite daunting. I would suggest, before you dive into the Saratoga, that you buy a couple of cheap kits to practice on first. Get familiar with the new glues, cyanoacrylates (Superglue), resin parts, photo etch, paints, etc. See what's out there aftermarket wise. Don't be afraid to ask specific questions. Grow your skills a little first. Then tackle that bad boy.

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    June 2011
Posted by USN2000-present on Saturday, June 4, 2011 8:03 PM

I also just purchased the 1/542.  This is my first model since i was a kid and i have been doing alot of research to try to get it looking perfect.  While serveing on two CVN's and not conventional i need to do alot of research.  I plan on adding the PE and putting some time in it.  The PE that they have is for three different carriers where the scale is 1/540 do you think that would make a big difference.  Also how do you get the flight deck to look more like non-skid instead of flat.  Sorry for all the questions but i need all the help i can get.  Thank You

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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:12 AM
I built the Forrestall kit of the same scale not to long ago. I would say that you have to use PE on the kit to make it look good. Other than a few mods to the airwing mine was a oob build and I think it looks pretty good. As far as were to geat PE for the kit try www.goldmm.com. I set is for I think 3 different carries, so there will be alot of waste, but over all a good set to use.
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Posted by luke on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:54 PM
faol - try and email the bloke who did that post on Rev's Sara modifications!

I saw it too and the pics blew me out of the water. I have this carrier model; built many years ago! It will take a lot of work and some patience but will be worth the effort - dont get too put off too early!

Good Luck Mate!
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 11:04 AM
I did a search and found an earlier post where the modeller added PE and scratchbuilt stuff. It looked really great!!! But, I can't even find where anyone has PE for that kit. I'd like to know if that gentleman has finished it and how it went.
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  • From: 37deg 40.13' N 95deg 29.10'W
Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:02 AM
The newer the Revell kit, the lesser the detail and more the flash. I'm sorry to say, but these kits are way past their prime. Many of these kits are being casted with molds that are over 30 years old.

These kits build quickly, but if you want the scale and detail, then you will need to do quite a lot of scratchwork and kit bashing.

If you can find them, get the 1/720 scale Forrestall or Ranger by Itarelli. These kits still lack some detail but the molding and fit is really good.

Scott

  • Member since
    November 2005
USS Saratoga CV-60
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 7:47 AM
Well, I went out looking for a more modern Carrier to build this weekend and found Revell's USS Saratoga in 1/542 scale. Well, at first sight, I was impressed with the size of the kit and looked forward to getting started. After getting started, I'm not so impressed anymore. The side bulkheads didn't really match the curvature of the hull and there's a lot of flash. Am I wrong, or do I need to be putting a lot of extra time into this in order to get a decent looking kit? By the way, I bought it to just build an OOB kit. I didn't plan on scratchbuilding or adding PE.
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