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Monitor civil warship
Posted by chris.germain on Saturday, June 12, 2004 3:11 PM
Can you help me to find blueprints of the Monitor? I want to scratchbuild a
cutaway version of this ship, but here in Europe it's very hard to find
good documentation about civil war subject.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 12:13 AM
I would suggest either the Smithsonian Institute or Taubman's Plan Service. Both have web sites but not all of Taubman's plans are listed there so you may have to Email. For the Smithsonian you want to search the naval ship register.

Good luck,
Bruce
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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, June 13, 2004 1:18 PM
I can offer some tips on directions to follow, but I'm not sure how well they'll pan out. I've had to do some research on the Monitor on a couple of occasions. From 1980 to 1983 I worked as a curator at the Mariners' Museum in Newport News, Viriginia, where the artifacts from the Monitor are being conserved and exhibited. We did an exhibition of artifacts that had been brought up as of that time (a fraction of what's on exhibit now) and I was in charge of tracking down relevant documents that would be appropriate for public display.

The bottom line is that, unfortunately, no complete contemporary set of plans for the Monitor, including all the details of the interior, exists. The nearest thing to such a set is a lovely, hand-tinted 3-view drawing on cloth that apparently was done by John Ericsson, the ship's designer. It includes one longitudinal section and one cross-section, both of which include the interior components. The drawing is in the collection of the American-Swedish Historical Society in Philadelphia. (When I was at the MM I tried to borrow the drawing for our exhibition and was told it was too badly deteriorated to travel. We eventually engineered an agreement whereby the ASHS would lend us the drawing in exchange for our paying the expenses of having it sent to a lab for conservation. We were really happy that we could do that.) I have no idea whether the ASHS has copies of the drawing available for sale, but it's been reproduced quite a few times in books.

Some years after I left the museum the Monitor Marine Sanctuary hired me to design a simple paper model of the ship, for distribution to children's groups. I browsed through all the plans I could find, and eventually concluded that the best available were the ones by Alan B. Chesley. I'm wracking my poor old brain trying to remember the title and author of the book in which they were published, so far without success. If I can think of it later I'll do another post.

There are lots of big questions about the Monitor's appearance. One, surprisingly, concerns the top of the turret. So far as I know, nobody is quite sure whether it was covered with iron plates or an iron grating. The Ericsson plans don't clarify that point. When the ship sank the turret fell off and landed upside down, with the hull overlapping it. As you probably know, the turret was brought up recently, and currently is in conservation at Newport News. I haven't seen it myself, but I have talked to one of the conservators who's inspected it. He told me that the turret roof is so thoroughly covered in concretions that it's still not possible to tell how it's constructed. That's just a prominent example of how tough it is to figure out just what that ship looked like - even with big pieces of it available for physical inspection.

The school where I work now, East Carolina University, has been extensively involved in the Monitor project for quite a few years. I personally haven't had much to do with it, but my friend Brad Rodgers, in the ECU Maritime History Program, is extremely knowledgeable about the subject and the sources of information about the ship. I'm sure he'd be happy to help. His e-mail address is <rodgersb@mail.ecu.edu>.

Sorry to be less than optimistic. This is a fascinating subject, but one that still has a certain amount of mystery surrounding it.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:13 PM
jtilley:
That is certainly a fascinating project. I knew parts were coming up but had no idea how far along the retrieval and conservation processes were.
My hat is off to the team working on Monitor!
Bruce
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:12 AM
Just happened to be surfing around the Squadron Mail Order website (<www.squadron.com>). Verlinden (VLS) has just announced a new resin Monitor kit on 1/200 scale. That's pretty small, but on the basis of the photo the kit looks beautiful - as Verlinden products usually are. The turret has a detailed interior; apparently there are alternative parts to make the roof of it either a grating or plated-over (with a couple of hatches through it). I believe either of those interpretations is plausible. The pilothouse seems to have the pyramid-like shape that it assumed when the ship was repaired after the fight with the Virginia. Looks to me like a nice kit - and not unreasonably priced.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by philp on Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:52 AM
There is also a new kit out in 1/144 that is very detailed. I am hoping to scratchbuild one in 1/72 (waterline) so also have been looking for a good set of plans to go off of.
Verlinden also has a full turret with interior in 54mm which looks good.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:39 PM
I have a picture in one of my books that is a three view of the Monitor. I think it also contains lines and and an interior view.
I cannot vouche for the accuracy of the drawing but when I find it I will post the relevent info.
Bruce did you see the additional post on the ST27?
Dai
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 20, 2004 2:28 PM
Dai:
Those photos may be reproductions of the originals by John Ericsson that Jtilley refers to in his post ...

Thanks for the additional ST-27 info. I did see it and just sent a reply; sorry to take so long but this is construction season up north so I am away a lot.
Regards,
Bruce
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