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Why is a ship called she?
Posted by lolok on Monday, July 5, 2004 5:31 AM
A ship as called she because their is always a great deal of bustle around her: there is usually a gang of men about, she has a waist and stays: It takes a lot of paint to keep her good looking: It is not the initial expense that breaks you but the upkeep: she can be all decked out: It takes an experienced man to handle her correctly: and without a man at the helm she is absolutely uncontrollable: she shows her topsides, hides her bottom and when coming into port,always heads for the buoys.
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Posted by leemitcheltree on Monday, July 5, 2004 6:47 AM
LOL!!
Don't let my wife hear you say that - she'd be likely to give you a smack upside the head!!

Cheers, LeeTree
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 5, 2004 7:05 AM
A ship is called she because if they were called he they would never get past the Virgin Islands. Tongue [:P]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 5, 2004 7:19 AM
I think that the presence of a female in the old days was thought of as bad luck, so the ship had the exclusivity of a female representation in order to get all the affection....
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Posted by MusicCity on Monday, July 5, 2004 7:30 AM
Ships are called she for much the same reason that models are. They suck up a lot of our time and money, and then when you finally get them just the way you want them all they do is sit around the house and do nothing!
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Posted by MikeV on Monday, July 5, 2004 11:37 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MusicCity

Ships are called she for much the same reason that models are. They suck up a lot of our time and money, and then when you finally get them just the way you want them all they do is sit around the house and do nothing!


Scott,

You are playing with fire my friend. Laugh [(-D]
If your wife reads this you are in the doghouse for sure! Big Smile [:D] Wink [;)]

Mike

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Posted by upnorth on Monday, July 5, 2004 1:11 PM
Because a ship on the ocean is just like a woman who takes her guy to the shopping mall with her and a shopping mall is like rough seas:

She kinda goes here and there, pulling into this port and that, most of which are of little or no intrest to the guy.

He tries to get her to go in straight lines and be efficient about the voyage, but it is to little or no effect, more often than not he is along for the ride and hoping the voyage is brief.

She usually denies him entrance into any port he might deem as useful or interesting. Any efforts he makes for even a quick trip in usually proove to be not worth the effort. No, no hardware section today boys. :-)

You say she's just dandy as is, but she insists she needs something more. If you're lucky, this could mean something interesting: She (the woman) wants your opinion while she's trying to buy a new swimsuit. Or She (the ship) could do well with a new high tech compass. However, neither the woman or the ship care what you think, they just like to make you feel like they do.

At least the ship doesn't make you hold her purse while she's in the dock / fitting room. :-)
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, July 5, 2004 2:10 PM
hows this

because it gives lonely sailors something to talk about in a bar

"yeah, shes nice"
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Posted by MusicCity on Monday, July 5, 2004 3:17 PM
QUOTE:
You are playing with fire my friend. Laugh [(-D]
If your wife reads this you are in the doghouse for sure! Big Smile [:D] Wink [;)]

I'll be in good company ... lots of people on this post are going to be in the same doghouse! Besides, I wouldn't know how to live any other way.
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Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, July 5, 2004 4:15 PM
I've always wondered why they are......... why don't they call them "he"???
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Posted by MusicCity on Monday, July 5, 2004 5:14 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M1abramsRules

I've always wondered why they are......... why don't they call them "he"???

I found the following information at this link:
http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/archive/display.var.576584.0.0.html
but I didn't include the entire page here.

Mystery of sex and shipping

THE tradition of ships being called "she" goes back centuries but no-one knows for sure when it started or why.

Historian at the National Maritime Museum, in Greenwich, Pieter van der Merwe told the News Shopper some of the theories.

Some believe mariners called their ships "she" in reverence to the Roman goddess of wisdom, Minerva.

They believed Minerva would give them the wisdom to avoid rough waters and get them to their destination safely.

The Latin for ship, meton, is feminine. Linguists believe calling a ship "she" comes from the sex they are given in Latin and its derivative languages.

Another explanation is, it is the human capacity to personify (give a human identity to) inanimate objects. Ships held the lives of those who used them and so mariners, being mostly male, would call their ships she, because they saw females as more caring and safe.
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Posted by paulnchamp on Monday, July 5, 2004 5:49 PM
The plot thickens. . .
In many other countries (Russia in particular) they are referred to as "he".
Paul
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Posted by MusicCity on Monday, July 5, 2004 6:11 PM
Ever seen pictures of some of those Russian women?
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:13 AM
This is an interesting topic, with both amusing and serious sides. The posts above are, so far as I know, about as accurate a discussion of the practice's origins as one can find (i.e., nobody's quite sure how it got started).

One aspect that hasn't been mentioned in this thread is that the use of feminine pronouns for ships is far from universal - even among romance languages. French, for instance, doesn't seem to make any such connection. In the French nautical texts I've seen, the pronouns for ship names are either masculine or feminine (French has no neuter pronouns) depending on the name of the ship. (E.g., the Jean Bart and Richelieu are "he's.")

I also remember reading in Baron von Mullenheim-Rechberg's memoir about the Bismarck that her (his?) captain, Lindemann, issued orders that the Bismarck was to be referred to as "he." That implies that the feminine pronouns are the norm in German. But would any British or American officer even think about issuing such an order - and would any of his subordinates take it seriously?

It would be interesting to hear about this from some foreign-language-speaking members of the Forum. I have no idea, for instance, what the Asian languages do about gender when they refer to ships.

In recent years I've had to do some research and writing on commission from the U.S. Coast Guard Historian's Office. I've been informed quite emphatically that the Coast Guard views the use of feminine pronouns for ships (or boats, or aircraft) as sexist. A few years ago the Coast Guard went through some serious problems regarding gender discrimination, one tragic byproduct of which was that the captain in command of the CG Public Affairs Office, confronted with an investigation into his allegedly sexist behavior, committed suicide. Another consequence is that since that controversy Coast Guard vessels have officially been "its." (It's worth noting in this context that the Coast Guard has, in general, been ahead of the other American armed forces in its policies toward women. The Coast Guard Academy was the first of the service academies to admit women, and the first American warship commanded by a woman was a Coast Guard patrol boat.) So far as I know, the Navy has no such rule regarding pronouns in its publications.

When I mention the Coast Guard policy to nautical enthusiasts and historians I get mixed reactions. Many (including quite a few women - such as my wife, who's a former Marine) roll their eyes and comment that either (a) the policy is ridiculous, (b) it robs the English language of a colorful and harmless tradition, and/or (c) people on the government payroll ought to have better things to do than make rules about stuff like that. Others (including quite a few men) think the tradition is a stupid relic of the stone age and ought to be liquidated as soon as possible.

I confess that, when I have the option, I refer to ships with feminine pronouns - at least in writing. One of my reasons is practical: if a ship and some other object are floating around in the same sentence or paragraph, the neuter/feminine distinction makes the writing easier. ("This is a 24-pound cannon from H.M.S. Victory. It's mounted on her middle gundeck.") I have, however, been accused more than once of behaving like a caveman - for that reason among others.

Stay tuned. It will be interesting to see how this issue plays out over the next decade or two.

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Posted by diggeraone on Thursday, July 15, 2004 12:01 PM
I know that I always said she when talking about my truck.My wife broke me of that habit and ask why men call things by she or her.I told her because 1.high maintance and 2. a thing of beauty.Digger
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:02 PM
On the serious side, one reason floating around is because the ships' husband is the masculine, therefore the ship was the "she".
In any regard I agree with John's wife, and ships will always be "she" in my cave.
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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:23 AM
To risk being off-topic, but on at the same time, one of my favorite lines ever about "she" as far as ships goes is this:

"Well, it's a new ship, but she's got the right name. Now you remember that, ya hear? You treat her like a lady, and she'll always bring ya home."

--Dr. Leonard McCoy speaking to Data about the new Starship Enterprise NCC-1701-D, in Star Trek-The Next Generation episode "Encounter at Far Point" - Fall 1987

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 18, 2004 12:44 AM
I always thought a ship was called a SHE because saying something like "Well he's an old ship but HE'S sturdy and HE'S got wonderfull lines, sounds a little Stupid.....
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