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Coils of Rope
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 8:13 AM
I am at the stage building my model of Heller's HMS Victory that I need to place coils of rope over the pin rails.

A few hints on "How To" will be appreciated.Cool [8D]

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  • From: 37deg 40.13' N 95deg 29.10'W
Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:31 AM
Too bad we can't post pics directly then I can show you a print. I made a rope coiler out of a different diameters (depending in the center diameter of the coil) of brass tube and making a thin washer equal to the diameter of the tube and coils. I drill a hole the diameter of the thread in the tube (kinda like threading your weedeater), then place the disk up the tube so that it is the height of the thread, then put the thread in the hole, install the tube in the drill press ( must be variable speed at slow RPM) and place the tube onto the drill table, turn on, and start coiling untill you reach your diameter you need. you can also coil by hand if you don't have a drill press.

When finished, take off the drill press and brush the coil with thinned epoxy or white glue and let dry, pull off, shape and tie off, and do another. You can make a number of coiling jigs with different inside diameters and mass produce coils in a few hours.

You also don't have to use round tube. Hobby Stores sell oblong tubes that will shape your coils so that you can tie the centers and hang them on the belaying pin.

Hint, put a dab of Vaseline on the tube to prevent epoxy from sticking to it.

Scott

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:43 AM
You're quite right in thinking this is an important topic. The dozens - even hundreds - of rope coils around the weather decks are vital to the look of a sailing ship.

Different modelers find that different techniques work for them. I've always had good results from a slightly modified version of the direct approach. I leave the line plenty long, then, when it's time to belay it, put a dollup of Elmer's white glue at the base of the belaying pin and simply drag the line through the glue as I form the coil. Two pairs of long tweezers are a big help in controlling the size of the coil. Take the bitter end through the middle of the coil; that will help keep it from unwinding. In the process of forming the coil the thread gets sufficiently permeated with the glue not only to keep it coiled up but to make it droop realistically over the pin. Often I'll come back with the tweezers ten or fifteen minutes later, when the glue is almost but not quite dry, and sort of teaze the coil into place.

When the glue dries it's virtually invisible. If it looks a little shiny, that can be taken care of by a drop of solvent based (not water based, lest the glue soften) clear flat. Some kinds, and some colors, of thread darken more than others in the process, but with few exceptions the original color comes back when the glue dries.

Another benefit to this technique is that it can be undone easily. If you ever have to re-rig the line (should it get busted, become slack, or whatever), just touch the glue spot with a small, water-dampened brush and the glue will come loose.

This seems to be another of those ship modeling operations in which there's a rather lengthy "relearning curve." The first couple of coils take me ten minutes and about a dozen cuss words apiece, but by the end of the evening the thread recognizes who's boss and behaves itself. Folks who are new to ship modeling often make the mistake of thinking something is "too difficult" because it's so hard the first time they try it. Frequently it starts seeming easy by attempt number four or five.

A similar trick works for coils of rope that are just lying on the deck - if the deck's made of wood. (On a plastic deck I'd do something different.) Stores that cater to butterfly collectors sell extremely fine, extremely sharp steel pins called "insect pins." I shove a couple of insect pins into the deck where I want the coil, lay down a blob of Elmer's around them, wind the thread around the pins, take the bitter end under the last full turn, and press the coil down into the glue. When the glue dries I yank out the pins. The wood grain usually closes up around the pin holes; if it doesn't I give them a tiny bit of water to make it swell.

Good luck. Sounds like you're into the home stretch of a terrific model.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 3:07 PM
Hey Quesney,

Would you be willing to post some photos here of your Victory model when you're done with her?

Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

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    February 2003
Posted by Jim Barton on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:52 PM
I don't know if it's still in print or not, but years ago, FSM published a book titled "Tips and Techniques for Scale Modelers" that had one tip about making multiple coils of rope by winding them on a rod in a vise and (I think) using super glue to make the coils stay together. Unfortunately, I don't have the book next to me (this computer's about 11 miles from my houseSmile [:)]) so I don't know all the details, but you might look for this book. The tip is in about Chapter 4 or 5, so it's toward the back of the book.

"Whaddya mean 'Who's flying the plane?!' Nobody's flying the plane!"

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  • From: Harrisburg, PA
Posted by Lufbery on Monday, August 2, 2004 8:52 AM
Hey Quesney,

I replied to the e-mail you sent me, but my message wouldn't go through. Could you send me another so I can double check your e-mail address?

Regards,

-Drew

Build what you like; like what you build.

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