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Posted by mcquack on Saturday, April 26, 2003 1:09 PM
Thanks again,
I will try to put in contact with them
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Posted by Big Jake on Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:18 AM
I did a bit of searching for you

Taubamns Plans Service International
11 College Drive - Bos 4G
Jersey City, New Jersey 07305

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Posted by mcquack on Saturday, April 26, 2003 3:14 AM
thanks a lot, Big Jake
I hope your information opens to me to new ways of investigation.
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Posted by Big Jake on Friday, April 25, 2003 3:59 PM
I hope this helps you,

The vessel was rigged as a sloop I have a general rigging plan and you can get rigging plans from Tubmans plans service in New Jersey. Here is a short history of the Sloop Enterprise.


It all began back in 1775, in those distant days of the Revolutionary War on the deep waters of Lake Champlain in Upper New York State. Lake Champlain at the time was considered a very strategic location by both the British and Americans and the year 1775 marked the beginning of a sustained campaign by both armies to control the lake. The Americans, under the leadership of that infamous turncoat, Benedict Arnold, struck first.

In May 1775, the Connecticut horse-trader-turned-soldier sailed the armed ketch Liberty jauntily up the Richelieu River, deep into Canada, and captured Fort St. Johns (now St. Jean sur Richelieu), without firing a shot. Captured in addition were two British ships: the armed schooner Royal Savage and the supply sloop George III, both of which were built at the fort.

A delighted Arnold quickly added the ships to his fleet. The rank smell of the name George III, however greatly offended Arnold's staunch republican nose. So he quickly had the hated words erased and re-christened the little sloop Enterprise instead. Re-armed with 6 deck guns and 10 swivels, and given a motley crew of 50, the tiny Enterprise was sent south to defend American interests on Lake Champlain where, for a time she served as Arnold's flagship.

Later, in August of the same year, the Enterprise sailed back up the Richelieu River, carrying troops for Arnold's ill-fated attack on Quebec City in the winter of 1775-76. The attack failed and Arnold, his nose bloodied, retreated to Lake Champlain.

In the summer of 1776 the sloop Enterprise stood guard at Isle aux Noix on the Richelieu River while Arnold and his men, with the industry of chip-spewing beavers, began to hurriedly cobble together a fleet of small ships to defend the lake. Needless to say, British shipbuilders weren't idle either.

The morning of October 11, 1776 found Arnold and his new fleet sitting off Valcour Island, expectantly awaiting the arrival of an approaching British fleet and the first American Naval battle of the Revolutionary War.

The fleet that appeared, however, was much larger than expected. In the first two hours, Arnold lost two of his ships and a tenth of his men dead or wounded. Out-gunned, and out-fought, Arnold carried on a running battle with the British over the next two days. By nightfall of the first day, Arnold, with 70% of his ammunition gone, tried to slip away in the dark. But the British caught up with him the next day and another battle ensued. So severely was Arnold trounced, that only 4 of his 15 ships, including Enterprise, survived the two-day set-to on the lake. Two were sunk, one captured and the rest either scuttled or ignominiously burned to prevent their capture.

The Enterprise was again in action against the British on the 26th of October 1776 but less than a year later, in July 1777, during the evacuation of Fort Ticonderoga, fate finally caught up with the little sloop. Unexpectedly surprised by a numerically superior British fleet during the evacuation, Enterprise, so proudly captured in the spring of 1776, was one of three ships torched at Skenenesboro (now Whitehall), N.Y. to keep them out of enemy hands.

Just what class of ship was the first Enterprise? Beyond a sketch or two (one of which, the watercolor plan of Arnold's fleet before the Battle of Valcour Island by Charles Randle, resides in the Public Archives of Canada) and her general dimensions, little remains. Sloop rigged, the Enterprise had a displacement of 55 tons [Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships, 1964 gives the tonnage as 70 tons; John Miller in his American Ships of the Colonial and Revolutionary Periods, 1978, gives the lower estimate] with a length between perpendiculars of around 46 feet (14m) and an approximate beam of 17 feet (5m).

Like most of the ships so hurriedly constructed of green wood during those war years, she cannot have been much of a "flagship". Arnold himself recorded that the Enterprise was "large .... chubby and a poor sailer." In all probability, some of the poor sailing resulted from her shoal draft. That dean of American Maritime History, Howard Chapelle records in his History of the American Sailing Navy that all the ships on the lake, both British and American, suffered from their shoal hulls - for with neither leeboards nor centerboards, shoal draft craft are very difficult to handle. Sweeps were used to move her when the wind failed, but it is highly doubtful, with her tubby lines, that she was ever easy to row.
Enterprise - after Randle 1776

Harsh though his criticism of the ship was, Arnold reserved his harshest words for the men who manned the ships of his fleet. He grumbled that they "were a miserable set.... the marines are the refuse of every regiment and the seamen, few of them were ever wet with salt water..."

As for the charred bones of the Enterprise, and her consorts Gates and the New York, they are believed to be those located and removed during the construction of the New York State Barge Canal at the beginning of the 20th century. Timbers assumed to be from these wrecks, and kept as souvenirs by local residents, rest today in the Lake Champlain Maritime Museum. But, according to director Art Cohn, it is impossible to know for sure if they belong to any particular vessel.


Lines Plan - After Miller 1987

To date, all of Arnold's ships have been accounted for, the last one being discovered in July 1997. One of the ships, the skeleton of her Fort St. John's companion, the schooner Royal Savage, scuttled by Arnold at Valcour Island, was salved in Lake Champlain by Colonel Lorenzo Hagglund, a New York marine engineer, in 1934. Another, the gunboat Philadelphia also recovered from her watery grave in the lake, rests in the Smithsonian Institution in Washington.
So, that's the story of the beginning of the Enterprise dynasty. A dynasty that began with a lowly, nondescript Canadian sloop and ended with a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, a space shuttle, and a yet to be determined number of starships. Canadians built her, and Benedict Arnold captured her and changed her name. Maybe it's just as well he christened the little sloop Enterprise. Somehow I cannot quite imagine a starship named the U.S.S. George III...

So thank old Benedict Arnold, a man of rather dubious memory, at least he got that right. But I'm sure he never in the world dreamed what he had wrought!



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Now, for those of you who want to know the remainder of the USS Enterprise fleet from Benedict Arnold's little sloop on up to the 190,000 ton NCC-1701 starship of Captain Kirk, here they are:

- 1775, USS Enterprise I
Benedict Arnold's 55 ton Sloop

- 1776, USS Enterprise II
Privateer Schooner, 25 tons, used as a convoy escort and dispatch boat

- 1799, USS Enterprise III
Schooner, then Brig, 135 tons, the most famous of all the sailing Enterprises.


I know it's long winded, but you can rigged a basic sloop and you will be 99% correct.

Big Jake



 

 

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Posted by Fabio Moretti on Friday, April 25, 2003 9:06 AM
I don´t know if I can help you, but here we go...
http://www.historicships.com/Templates/Ship&Hand.htm
http://www.cs.umanitoba.ca/~djc/startrek/pics/SNE-28-0385a.gif

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Posted by mcquack on Friday, April 25, 2003 8:58 AM
How can you help me?
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Posted by Big Jake on Thursday, April 24, 2003 6:01 PM
I do not have any plans, but I can detail the rig you need for her.

Jake

 

 

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USS ENTERPRISE 1799
Posted by mcquack on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:37 AM
I BUILT THIS MODEL FROM CONSTRUCTO SOME YEARS AGO, BUT NOW I WANT TO REPLACE ALL THE TRHEADS AND MASTS
I NEED HELP, IF ANYONE HAVE THE PLANS AND INSTRUTIONS MANUAL, PLEASE NOTICE ME. I´VE LOST MINE ONES

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