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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:17 PM
Cool! Thanks for the update Jose!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:36 PM
Hello all!

An interesting bit of news. I visited the museum yesterday, and the docents informed me that the museum has actually purchased the Surprise from 20th Century Fox. They also told me that Fox was not planning on making a sequel at this time, though if they did, they could always rent the ship.

Jose Gonzales
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:15 PM
Jose,
Thank you for the pictures of the Surprise. I was hoping to get a look at the ship but being in Arlington, VA. makes it tough. I'm working on a USS Chesapeake right now. Little sister to Old Iron Sides. The Revell Connie kit will be the next project. Be sure to let us know how your kit is coming along. Thank you again for the shots.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:29 AM
And here's the link to the San Diego Maritime Museum:

http://www.sdmaritime.com

Jose
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Posted by dnatech on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 12:01 AM
Here is the Link to the USS Midway Museum site. http://www.midway.org/site/pp.asp?c=coIMKTMCF&b=81432 I am taking my son down on Oct 9th for his birthday.
Steve
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:24 PM
I'm going to try and visit MIDWAY next week.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 16, 2004 1:24 PM
Yes, the movie I mentioned is "Master and Commander", for which this ship was utilized.

The Midway opened just a few months ago, and I have yet to visit her. I'll post pix when I do. I saw her from the Star of India - there's a big F14 just in front of the superstructure.

Jose
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:56 AM
Jose,

Thanks for the info. Was the HMS SURPRISE used in any films like "Master and Commander..." or "Pirates of the Carribean..."? The USS MIDWAY Museum is also just down the street.
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San Diego Maritime Museum -
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:13 AM
Hello all!

The HMS Surprise (former HMS Rose) is stationed in San Diego at the Maritime Museum until November. Here are some pictures of the Rose, as well as the Star of India.

http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture277.jpg
http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture278.jpg
http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture280.jpg
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http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture292.jpg
http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture298.jpg

And here are some pictures of a series of 3 models of the Star of India, to the same scale by the same builder, tracing her history from her launching as the "Euterpe", through her working days as the Star of India, to how she appears to day (with sails). The detail is amazing.

http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture297.jpg
http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture296.jpg
http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture296.jpg
http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture293.jpg
http://www.warshipmodels.com/~users/JoseGonzales/Picture294.jpg

Some additional comments on the ships:

The HMS Surprise was originally a replica of the HMS Rose. The producers of the movie either bought her or rented her for the movie, and changed her to the HMS Surprise. They also added a few things below deck - namely some modern steering gear and navigation equipment. I don't know if the rose originally had an engine but the Surprise does. Also, above deck she looks like a damned good replica, but below decks... the main or gun deck is not the ~5 ft 6 in from deck to beams, but a pretty tall 6 feet. The guns in the picture were on a raised platform to show how little room there would have been in the original, but the platform only runs on one side, and the guns are fiberglass. The lower masts are hollow steel or iron.

The ship appears a bit run down - the paint is peeling and topsides looks a bit shabby. I'm guessing there isn't much of a regular crew taking care of her. The museum's docents claimed that the ship's keepers intentionally are keeping her appearance this way to make it look worn and old - I don't think so.

The Star of India, on the other hand, is lovingly maintained. She takes a cruise under her own sail out of the harbor every couple of years or so, and has a small but dedicated crew keeping her in working order. She is the oldest iron-hulled merchant ship afloat, and she's a real beauty! A few years back there was a tall ship festival, where dozens of tall ships from around the world visited San Diego Bay. The Star outshone them all, imho.

Jose Gonzales
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