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Dragon 1/700 Tirpitz (7047) inquiries

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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:44 PM
looking on the Dragon site, I found a page talking about this here. I think. maybe this is something else, but it sounds like the same stuff. http://www.dragonmodelsltd.com/catalog/dml/new/models%20preview%202004/ds.jpg
I guess we'll see what the consensus on this is soon enough. personally, I wont be getting to it for a while.
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    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:27 AM
I bought the Dragon Bismarck and Arizona, and like them both. They're high on my list of kits I actually intend to build.

Like many other people, I was puzzled initially by the soft plastic parts. It took me a little while, but I think I've figured out why Dragon did them that way. Each of the parts in question has raised and/or or embossed detail molded on surfaces that are at ninety degrees to each other. (Example: the massive "fighting tops" of the Arizona - the big fire control stations at the tops of the masts. They have embossed "windows" on all sides.) That sort of thing can't be cast in a rigid mold, due to the problem of undercutting - and styrene can't be cast in a flexible mold due to the heat and the pressure of the injection-molding process. Flexible plastic does allow undercutting. (The plastic flexes a little as it's being removed from the mold.) The alternative would be to mold the component as several smaller pieces - or avoid the undercutting problem by leaving off the detail.

I'll reserve judgment on this idea till I find out how paint sticks to the flexible stuff. None of the reviews I've seen mentions any problem in that regard. If the flexibility isn't detectable when the model's finished, maybe the concept is a good one.

Another odd thing about those kits is the use of clear plastic. I really like the idea of clear airplanes; you can paint everything but the canopy. Same goes for boats that have windows in their little superstructures. But in those kits all the boats - including the open ones with no windows - are transparent, as are the floats and propellors of the aircraft. The total area of clear plastic that doesn't end up getting painted will amount to about one square centimeter. But apparently somebody decided that all the airplane and boat components needed to go on the same sprue, so if any of those pieces were to be transparent they all had to be.

What I don't understand is why the turrets of the Arizona are cast in white metal. The turned brass gun barrels are great (they're perfectly round, as styrene castings rarely are), but I don't see why identical turrets couldn't have been cast in styrene. I can't see any detail on them that required undercutting; they seem to have been cast in rigid molds, like the styrene parts. On the basis of the rest of the kit, though, I suspect there's a rational explanation. (If they were going to cast parts in metal, though, why not use it instead of the flexible plastic? White metal can take undercuts if it's cast in flexible molds. Maybe they didn't want to get into the flexible mold business.)

At the root of all this seems to be the assumption that the purchaser of these kits is not a middle-school kid but an experienced modeler who paints everything. On the one hand that's a refreshing development. On the other, it does make things harder for the less-experienced modeler.

Bottom line: they both look like excellent kits and should produce beautiful models.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:14 AM
hey thats a great reference site thank you very much!
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 2:05 AM
The stickers for the barrels wold depend on what scheme you're going to paint. For reference, see the site http://www.bismarck-class.dk/tirpitz/tirpitz_menu.html
and look up the site containing the paint schemes. Or, look up the pictures of the Tirpitz in the gallery in the same site and you might find the pictures of the Tirpitz with the barrels covered with camouflage nets as a reference as to the use of those stickers.
  • Member since
    January 2003
Posted by Jeff Herne on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:57 PM
Who knows...that's the reason why I'm waiting to see what the new Aoshima kit will look like...since they're the last of the batch, I'm willing to bet they're holding off to make sure they don't make the same mistakes the other two (Dragon and Trumpeter) did.

My major complaint with the Trumpeter kit is the location of the deck splits...it's the same as the Tamiya Bismarck in 1/350...what this means is that you have a deck seam just aft of the forward breakwater, and on either side of the superstructure near the catapult. With the scribed deck planking, it's a real PIA (Pain in the Arse) to fill that seam and get it hidden. Trumpeter could have run the seam along the breakwater and eliminated the forward seam, and hidden the after seam at the after secondary turret.

Aoshima will have a winner if they can figure out how to do a single piece deck.

Jeff
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:41 PM
you know, I hadn't even noticed that vinyl stuff in there. after I read your post I went back and looked, and sure enough...
Thats so weird, like did they run out of plastic that day and go, 'well, just shoot some vinyl in there' ... There really doesnt seem to be any reason for it.
  • Member since
    January 2003
Posted by Jeff Herne on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:03 PM
The Dragon kit has had some complaints about the vinyl parts that come with it, but aside from that it appears to be nicely done. Gold Medal and Tom's Modelworks both do Bismarck/Tirpitz sets, I *think* Eduard does a set, and I'm pretty sure that White Ensign has one in the works.

All in all it's a good kit...I've seen the Dragon kit as well as the Trumpeter kit...I'm waiting for the Aoshima new tool kit to come out this fall, then I'll make my decision as to which one (Bismarck) gets to sail with my Prinz Eugen.

Jeff
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 11, 2004 5:41 PM
thanks joe, what set would you reccomend, I was just browsing looking for some rails and stuff. it seems to have an ok amount of pe in there already, though.
as far as schemes, I was thinking of the splinter type pattern with the plain deck, basically like the box art. mc31@hotmail.com
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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 11, 2004 5:28 PM
Hey,

yes it is a brand spankin' new kit. i just finished it myself and i think it's pretty good. you'll need to buy a good PE set to really bring her to life. but all in all it's a great kit.

the paint schemes in the drawings are so-so accurate. i have some hyper-accurate drawings here that i can share with you when it comes time to build her. all you need to do is tell me the appx. date you wish to model and i'll send those schemes right to you. if you need any Tirpitz info at all, please feel free to email me at grafzeppelintrager@yahoo.com

best regards,

joe
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    November 2005
Dragon 1/700 Tirpitz (7047) inquiries
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 11, 2004 5:10 PM
Hello there, I'm currently working on a KGV in 1/700 from tamiya and its the first ship I've built. I'm enjoying the build so much that I bought another one, Dragon Tirpitz in 1/700. It seems a little more involved but looks pretty good in the box.
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this kit, I looked for reviews but there werent any. It says 2004 on the box, so is it new or a reissue? also, it has stickers for wrapping around the main gun barrels, for a couple of the paint schemes, anyway. would this have been canvas or something? just curious, thanks for the info!
Oh and one other thing, when building ships, do you guys mostly stick everything on and then paint it, or paint and then glue?
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