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Posted by BIGKAHUNAMENOR on Thursday, November 3, 2005 1:42 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff Herne

Wilson was an Adams Class DD, only game in town that I know of is the 1/350 White Ensign kit. In 1/700 scale you've got Skywave/Pitroad.

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Posted by seasick on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:18 PM
USS Henry Wilson (DDG-7) was a member of the Charles F. Adams class of guided missle destroyers.

There are some 1/700 kits out there: DML/Dragon kits 7019 USS CF Adams and 7024 USS Cochrane, Revell of Germany kit 5023 DDG Rommel. All these kits are in the same class as the Wilson. The main item to watch for is that when you install the missile launcher on the kit is to place the Mk11 GMLS on the model rather than the Mk13 GMLS used in later members of the class. For reference the Mk13 GMLS was the one used by the Oliver Hazard Perry class and the Calfifrnia class. The Mk11 GMLS is the one used as the secondary system on the Albany class Guided missile cruisers located on either side of the bridge.

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Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 3:09 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff Herne

Wilson was an Adams Class DD,
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In 1/700 scale you've got Skywave/Pitroad.


Jeff: I believe the 1:700 offering is by DML/Dragon. IIRC, the Charles Adams was sold under the DML label. The rebox was sold as the USS Cochrane [sp]. It may also be available in a Dragon box as the Luetgens. Revell of Germany may also have re-popped it as the Rommel.
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Posted by Jeff Herne on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 2:58 PM
Wilson was an Adams Class DD, only game in town that I know of is the 1/350 White Ensign kit. In 1/700 scale you've got Skywave/Pitroad.

Jeff
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Posted by BIGKAHUNAMENOR on Wednesday, November 2, 2005 2:40 PM
Aloha, my buddy from work was stationed on the DDG-7 henry wilson. does anyone make a model of this or at least one in the same class that would not be too hard to modify?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 10:02 PM
Here is a link to info about the class.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ddg-51.htm
And a link to the absalute best kit. Very expencive though.
http://tridenthobbies.com/store/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=NM&Product_Code=YKM35056&Category_Code=YKM
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Posted by seasick on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 12:47 PM
Bushmasters

I have this from several sources that the Bushmaster guns are moved from ship to ship as they deploy.

ie: When a ship returns from the Gulf the Bushmasters are disembarked and transfered to another ship that is preparing to deploy to the Gulf.

From the USN's web site Fact File:

QUOTE: Mark 38 - 25 mm machine gun system

Description
The MK-38 is a 25-mm (one inch diameter) heavy machine gun, effective to 2,700 yards (2,457 meters).

Background
The MK 38 machine gun system (MGS) was employed aboard various combatant and auxiliary ships in the Mid-East Force escort operations and during Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. The weapons are maintained in a rotatable pool, available for temporary installation on various deploying ships and permanent installation on certain amphibious and auxiliary ships, patrol craft and Coast Guard cutters.

Point Of Contact
Public Affairs Office
Naval Sea Systems Command (OOD)
Washington, DC 20360

General Characteristics
Primary Function: Single barrel, air cooled, semi- and full-automatic, manually trained and elevated machine gun system.
Contractor: Designed and assembled by Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center; components procured from various contractors.
Date Deployed: 1986.
Range: 2700 yards (2,457 meters).
Type Fire: Single shot; 175 rounds per minute automatic.
Caliber: 25 mm (1 inch).
Guidance System: Unstabilized, manually trained and elevated.

Last Update: 30 March 2005


QUOTE: MK 38 25-mm machine gun

The 25mm Machine Gun System (MGS) Mk 38 is a 25mm automatic gun system that provides ownship with defensive and offensive gunfire capability for the engagement of a variety of surface targets. It is designed to provide close range defense against patrol boats, swimmers, floating mines, and various targets ashore including; enemy personnel, lightly armored vehicles and terrorist threats. One crewman is required for operation and two for maintenance.

This system consists of the M242 auto-cannon and the Mk 88 machine gun mount. The M242 auto-cannon is an externally powered, dual-feed, single-barrel weapon which may be fired in semi-automatic or automatic modes. In the automatic mode, the rate of fire is approximately 175 rounds per minute. The M242 does not depend on gases for operation but instead utilizes an electric motor, located in the receiver, to drive all the moving parts inside the cannon. Ammunition feeding, loading and firing, extraction, and ejection are all done by the motor. The Mk 88 machine gun mount train and elevation is controlled manually by the gun operator. In the event of a major malfunction, the M242 auto-cannon can be removed from the mount and another auto-cannon installed in five minutes by two people.

The Mk 38 machine gun system (mgs) was employed aboard various combatant and auxiliary ships in the mid-east force escort operations and during operations desert shield and desert storm. The weapons are maintained in a rotatable pool, available for temporary installation on various deploying ships and permanent installation on certain amphibious and auxiliary ships, patrol craft and coast guard cutters. Designed and assembled by crane division, nswc, it has been in service since 1986. The mk 38 mgs is an unstabilized, manually pointed, deck mounted cannon with semi-automatic and automatic modes of fire.


QUOTE: MK 96 25mm Gun Mount

The MK 96 MOD 0 Stabilized 25mm Gun Mount is used on the new PC-1 CYCLONE Class Patrol Coastal ships.

QUOTE:
M2 .50 Caliber [12.7mm] Machine Gun "
Ma Duce"

The Browning M2 .50 caliber (12.7mm) Machine Gun, is a World War II era automatic, belt-fed, recoil operated, air-cooled, crew-operated machine gun. The M2 is crew transportable with limited amounts of ammunition over short distances. This gun has a back plate with spade grips, trigger, and bolt latch release. The gun is equipped with leaf-type rear sight, flash suppressor and a spare barrel assembly. By repositioning some of the component parts, ammunition may be fed from either the left or right side. A disintegrating metallic link-belt is used to feed the ammunition into the weapon. The gun is capable of single-shot (ground M2), as well as automatic fire.

This gun may be mounted on ground mounts and most vehicles as an anti-personnel and anti-aircraft weapon. Associated components are the M63 antiaircraft mount and the M3 tripod mount. The M2 .50 Cal. flexible version is used as a ground gun on the M3 tripod mount or various Naval mounts. The M2 .50 Cal., M48 turret type, fixed type, and soft mount are installed on mounts of several different types of combat vehicles and ships. The weapon provides automatic weapon suppressive fire for offensive and defensive purposes. This weapon can be used effectively against personnel, light armored vehicles; low, slow flying aircraft; and small boats.

The M2 machine gun on the M3 tripod provided a very stable firing platform. Together with its slow rate of fire and its traversing and elevating mechanism, the M2 was used to a very limited extent as a sniper weapon during the Vietnam war at fixed installations such as firebases. Snipers prefired the weapons at identifiable targets and worked the data into range cards insuring increased first-round accuracy. The 1st Battalion, 5th Infantry, 25th Infantry Division constructed 20-30 foot high shooting platforms, adding steel base plates and posts to further stabilize the M2 on the M3 tripod. Together with the use of Starlight night vision scopes, the M2 severely limited enemy movement within 900 yards (800m) of the perimeter of a firebase.

Builder: Saco Defense
Numerous manufacturers originally produced the M2 Heavy Machine Gun.
Length: 61.42 inches (156 centimeters)
Weight:
Gun: 84 pounds (38 kilograms)
M3 Tripod (Complete): 44 pounds (19.98 kilograms)
Total: 128 pounds (58 kilograms)
Bore diameter: .50 inches (12.7mm)
Maximum effective range: 2000 meters with tripod mount
Maximum range: 4.22 miles (6.8 kilometers)
Maximum effective range: is 1,830 meters
Cyclic rate of fire: 550 rounds per minute
Unit Replacement Cost: $14,002

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, November 1, 2005 11:40 AM
The mud and grass go in the drydock.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 31, 2005 10:43 PM
just found this topic and would like to confirm the existence of bushmasters on the DDG's. i happened to walk down the pier from my ship and was walking past one of them while they were off-loading it from the ship.

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Posted by seasick on Monday, November 15, 2004 10:33 PM
The 2 Bushmasters as well as 4 .50 cal M2 machine guns can be fitted and stowed depending on the mission. References to these guns can be found at http://www.NavWeaps.com http://www.globalsecurity.org

The Mk45 mod4 127mm/62 gun is different from the Mk45 mod2 127mm/54 in flight 1 and 2. The second number after the bore is the length of the barrel as a ratio of the bore. The Mk45 mod4 barrel length is 127mm x 62 = 7874mm or 7.874meters or 25.8 feet as opposed to the mod2 at 127mm x 54 = 6.858 meters or 22.5 feet.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 3, 2004 5:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dpeacock

Thanks for the info guys...it gives me a lot more to work with that I had before. I asked about the bushmasters and he didn't know about them, but he did get to fire the CIWS among other things (apparently they had to shoot off ALL their ammo before returning to port for some kind of refit). they also had a new version of the seahawk undergoing trials while they were underway doing asw stuff.


According to Northrop Grumman's website, "DDG 84 is Ingalls’ third Flight IIA Aegis destroyer. The highlight of this major upgrade program is the addition of two helicopter hangars that will each accommodate an SH-60B undersea warfare helicopter."

So it is a Flight IIA destroyer.

The Buckley's web page indicates the following weapons systems:

"· One MK 45 MOD 1 5"/62 caliber Gun Mount
· Two MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems
· Two MK 15 Block 1B Close-in-Weapons Systems (Phalanx Mounts)
· Two MK 32 MOD 14 Triple Torpedo Tubes (MK 50/46 Torpedoes) "

No mention of the bushmaster - maybe it will show up in this refit?

Here is some great info on the ship:

http://www.ss.northropgrumman.com/pressrelease/news/00_06_18.cfm

Bob
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:50 AM
Thanks for the info guys...it gives me a lot more to work with that I had before. I asked about the bushmasters and he didn't know about them, but he did get to fire the CIWS among other things (apparently they had to shoot off ALL their ammo before returning to port for some kind of refit). they also had a new version of the seahawk undergoing trials while they were underway doing asw stuff.
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Posted by seasick on Sunday, October 24, 2004 1:22 AM
USS Buckley (DDG-84) is best represented in 1/700 by the Dragon kit for the Roosevelt. IIRC The Phalanx guns are installed on this vessel. 2 25mm Bushmaster guns are installed and you'll have to get them after market.Question [?]

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Posted by richter111 on Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:14 PM
Well welcome to the Light. We ship builders even welcome you mud and earth Armor types. Dragon/Panda have released several different several different versions in 1/350 scale of the ship in question.

Come on over to www.modelwarships.com we have everything you need including a couple of kit buildup reviews of the ship in question so you will know just what the heck you are getting yourself into.

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:02 PM
Once again, thanks for all the input. It seems I now have my work cut out for me.

One question though.......when weathering a ship...where does the mud and grass go?Smile [:)]
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Posted by Seadragon021 on Sunday, October 17, 2004 12:53 PM
A footnote to the earlier post about Guide to the Ships and Aircraft of the US Fleet, the latest edition is being published by USNI in December. Members get a hefty discount on thier purchases.
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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:55 AM
I think the Dragon kits are reissues of the Pit Road/Skywave ones. I haven't done a side-by-side comparison, but I have the impression that the parts in the 1/700 kits from those two companies are identical. The Dragon versions usually seem to be cheaper - and, if I remember correctly, Dragon sometimes adds pieces for the underwater hulls.

I've got the Dragon 1/700 U.S.S. Cole, though I haven't built it yet. Looks to me like a beautiful kit.

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Posted by Tankbuster on Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:38 AM
Here's another to consider, the USS Roosevelt from Dragon DDG-80. It's a Flight llA destroyer in 700 scale.
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Posted by Tankbuster on Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:36 AM
If you want to build a close replica, consider Panda's Winston Churchill I think it is DDG80 or 81. Its a Flight IIA destroyer which is what the Bulkley is. The kit is good, but you may want to add PE to it to make it look even better. The panda Winston Churchill a 350 scale ship. Take a look at Megahobby.com I think they have it for about $23.00.
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Posted by jjjacob on Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:09 AM
There's a soft cover book out by Motor Books Int. "Modern U.S. Navy Destroyers" by S.F. Tomajczyk. Chapter 3 covers the Arleigh Burkes. There are some good overall color shots of several of them. In 1/700 Pit Road has released several of them. M-14, the kit of the USS Wilbur,DDG-54, has the names up through the Porter DDG-78 on the decal sheet. Hopefully later releases will include the newer ones. Best of luck to your stepson, fair winds and following seas. Jake.......
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 16, 2004 10:45 PM
Thanks for the info guys...I do know that it has 2 helos on board, but I'll have to ask if it's a flight 1 or 2.
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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:55 PM
Dragon makes at least one Arleigh Burke-class destroyer in 1/700 scale - probably more. You'll want to look up some info about the specific ship. As I understand it several variants of the class, known as "Flight 1," "Flight 2," etc., have been built. I haven't really kept up with the story, but I believe some have helicopter hangars and others don't.

A good (if rather expensive) guide to the basics of such stuff is The Naval Institute Guide To the Ships and Aircraft Of the U.S. Fleet, by Norman Polmar, published by the Naval Institute Press. A new edition of it comes out every two or three years, so the latest one is reasonably up to date. It contains class lists, specifications, brief histories - and a fair number of good photos.

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Posted by Seadragon021 on Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:58 PM
Well, for pictures start with Navsource and the US Navy website.

http://www.navsource.org/
http://www.navy.mil/

So far as kits go I know Panda has issued two different versions of DDG-51in 1/350 but I don't have any experience with their kits. Maybe someone else can help you along those lines.
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Arleigh Burke class DDG
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 16, 2004 5:50 PM
My stepson just got assigned to DDG-84 (Buckley) as part of his JAG training. I am looking to build a model of this ship, but know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about floaty things (i build armour). Which kit is the closest to it, and where can I find more info on this ship (other than it's web site)

Thanks in advance
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