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Viking "shields" ? for JTilley

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  • Member since
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  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Viking "shields" ? for JTilley
Posted by Big Jake on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 3:57 PM
Jtilley,

I'm done with the Heller "Queen Matilda" and am a bit perplexed on just how the shields mount on the model, I will NOT glue them to the sides as indircated or directed. I think or believe the shields would have been placed inside by the vikings feet as they rowed. Also There is no way I'm going to use those BRIGHTLY colored decals I would rather hand paint each one first with the same design. I've went through several books and really have not found anything on the placement of the sheilds. Any thoughs?

I found one link on the "net" explaining that the center hole was for the oar to pass through and hole the shield inplace while the oars were inboard. I would think that this would be a bad thing because if you needed to get the shield in a hurry you could not.

Jake

BTW email me direct and I'll send you a few photos of it as it is now.

jbgroby@cox.net

 

 

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:35 PM
Point number one: if the model is to represent a ship of William the Conqueror's fleet, as Heller intended, any reference to the Vikings is irrelevant. William the Conqueror was not a Viking.

I think the premise Heller used for this kit was simply that the ships in the Bayeux Tapestry (the one great contemporary visual representation of the Norman Conquest of England) look vaguely like Viking ships, so a kit representing a Viking ship (the Heller "Drakkar Oseberg," which, as we covered earlier in this forum, is in fact a lousy replica of the Oseberg Ship) would, with some minor modifications, work. Since the kit does such a poor job of depicting a Viking ship, I suppose it can represent a ship from the Bayeux Tapestry just as well.

Anyway, the Bayeux Tapestry does show shields hanging on the sides of the ships (though it doesn't show the means of fastening them there). The various books on the Viking ships (try The Viking, published by the Tre Trekare firm, and Bjorn Landstrom's old classic The Ship) have good representations of how the Vikings hung shields on the gunwales. (I'd have to get out one of the drawings, but as I recall there's a narrow strip of wood with slits in it nailed inside the gunwales and the leather straps on the backs of the shields go through the slits.) I imagine William's ships used some similar system.

One of the most common - and eroneous - assumptions that people make in reconstructing historical stuff is that our ancestors didn't like bright colors. Such evidence as we have suggests that, in fact, their tastes in color were pretty bold. The Greeks originally painted the friezes around the roof of the Parthenon in brilliant colors. And recent research has indicated that Victorian houses, which we so often think of as being painted white or various subtle pastel shades, often were alarming shades of green, blue, purple, and pink. Over the years several housepaint companies have manufactured ranges of "Authentic Williamsburg Colors" that, they claim, are exact reproductions of eighteenth-century paint samples found at Colonial Williamsburg. The colors are accurate, all right - they're accurate duplicates of paint that's been fading for over a century.

My suggestion is to take a careful look at a good reproduction of the Bayeux Tapestry (plenty of photos of it are available in books and magazines - and probably on the web), and take into account the effect that a thousand years of age and light have had on the colors. I suspect those old ships originally looked pretty spectacular.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

  • Member since
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  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 9:17 PM
Hi and thanks,

What I meant by not using the decals is that they don't quite look "aged" like the rest of the boat I too saw a version of the wooden strip with the shields going through it, but like you said, this particular model does not have that. I will see if I can make a strip and "trenail" it to side to hold the shields.

Jake

 

 

  • Member since
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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:38 PM
Got it. I haven't seen the decals in questions, so I can't comment on them intelligently. I know what you mean, though, about the tendency of such things to look out of place on a weathered model.

If the designs on the decals look reasonable (again, since I haven't seen them I can't form an opinion) it might be possible to spray them after they're in place with flat finish and then weather them like the rest of the model. I'm inclined to think, though, that you're right: they'll always look sort of manufactured, and hand-painted designs would probably be more consistent with the rest of the model.

I remember, from way, way back, those exquisite little shield decals on the Revell Santa Maria. They were beautifully done, but to make them look like anything but decals would be quite a trick. Then there were those equally well-rendered flags, complete with "ripples" drawn in perspective. That was a fad among sailing ship kit manufacturers for a while, and I've never been able to understand the reason for it. It must have been really difficult for the designer to draw the flags that way, and anybody with sufficient dexterity to dress himself surely can put genuine, three-dimensional ripples in a flag. As I've noted before, though, normal rationality doesn't seem to apply to plastic (or wood) sailing ship kits.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:43 AM
The shields are slung over the sides by their shoulder straps to give extra cover to the rowers from missile fire as they close in to board. Not sure what they attached them to - either a frame timber or possibly the strap goes under the oar. Can't comment on the dacals as I've no idea what they look like but you certainly shouldn't paint them all the same.
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