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America
Posted by BRASSWIPES on Monday, January 3, 2005 7:46 PM
Many years ago, circa 1970 or so, I built the wood version of the yacht America. And, for a beginner, it came out pretty damned good! Whistling [:-^]
However, that model is long gone and the company which was on Long Island ,NY, is also long gone! Sad [:(]
Can anyone give an idea where I can find a decent plastic model? There where several on the market back then.
I don't remember the scale but the overall length was just over 15 inches.
Any info would be great.
Thanks
Jim Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Jeff Herne on Monday, January 3, 2005 10:57 PM
I believe the company you're referring to was Marine Models, operated for a time by the late Jim Roberts (a personal friend). When Jim passed away a couple of years ago, myself and another friend emptied out Jim's basement, and most of the contents of his kits were reduced considerably. I still have a few hulls and plans sets for the America, but none of the fittings.

At this point, you might consider looking at Model Shipways, Bluejacket, or Model Expo.

Jeff Herne
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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Monday, January 3, 2005 11:20 PM
I think the kit BRASSWIPES is remembering was the one made by Marine Models, which was indeed located on Long Island. I wasn't aware of a connection between that company and the late Jim Roberts - though I know he was affiliated with Model Expo, which bought out Model Shipways. In the good olde days Marine Models (Long Island), Model Shipways (Bogota, New Jersey), and A.J. Fisher (Michigan, I believe) were the pre-eminent American manufacturers of scale ship model kits. Fisher is still in business; Model Shipways, in a form its founders would barely recognize, is now a division of Model Expo. Marine Models is long defunct. It was in business for a long time, and the quality of its kits varied enormously. Some were pretty nice; others were so crude as to be almost unbuildable. If I remember correctly, the America was one of the later and better ones.

To my knowledge the only plastic rendition of the yacht America was the one originally issued by Revell in 1969. It was on the rather odd, large scale of 1/56 (according to Thomas Graham's fine book, Remembering Revell Model Kits), and was reissued several times during the seventies. It's not in the current catalog, though examples show up on e-bay periodically. We had a discussion of this kit some weeks back in this forum. It was a pretty good kit - a sound basis for a nice model.

My senile brain contains an extremely vague recollection that there may have once been another plastic America - a tiny, waterline version from one of those early 1950s firms that later got absorbed by the bigger ones. I think it may have been a waterline version, perhaps in the notorious "ship in a bottle" format.

On the wood front, Bluejacket Shipcrafters makes a nice plank-on-frame America. It's a genuine plank-on-frame (as opposed to "plank-on-bulkhead") kit, with precut scale frames in basswood. The scale is 1/4"=1', giving the finished model an overall length of 25". Pricey ($320.00), but a sound basis for a scale model. The same firm sells a smaller, cruder version of the America that, I believe, originated with another company. The website is <www.bluejacketinc.com>.

Model Shipways used to make a smaller, less expensive America with a carved, solid basswood hull, but it's been off the market for at least twenty years. (That's a shame. It was a nice kit; the plans were done by George Campbell, one of the best.) I think Model Expo currently offers two Americas on different scales from Mamoli, one of those European plank-on-bulkhead companies. I've sounded off in this forum several times about the low quality and extravagant prices of most such kits; I'd be extremely leery of buying one. But if you're interested, the website is <www.modelexpo-online.com>.

If I wanted to build an America I'd either try to scare up one of the Revell kits or, if I could afford it (which I can't) buy the Bluejacket one. (In fairness, it's only reasonable to consider the price of such a kit in relation to the amount of time it takes to build it. As an investment in hours of leisure-time activity, the Bluejacket version probably is more economical than the Revell one - even at the latter's original price of $5.00.)

I'm afraid this doesn't help much. Sorry there's not a more economical solution - other than a pilgrimage to e-bay, which frequently offers remarkable bargains on old kits.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Tuesday, January 4, 2005 4:54 PM
Brasswipes,

Here is one on Ebay thay you might be interested in.

Jake

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4248&item=5947858861&rd=1

 

 

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, January 4, 2005 8:55 PM
Brasswipes - Big Jake has found you a terrific deal. It's the older version of the Bluejacket kit, made (as the e-bay dealer correctly acknowledges) before the company switched from the solid hull kit to the plank-on-frame one. On the basis of the photo the kit, though pretty old, appears to be in excellent condition. Since it's Bluejacket we can assume the cast fittings are britannia metal - an alloy of tin and copper that's far superior in durability to the lead alloy most of the other manufacturers used to use.

If you're looking for a model of the America, this one's definitely worth considering. And the price (so far) looks extremely attractive indeed.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by BRASSWIPES on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 11:52 AM
I buy from e-bay often and I've been looking for the America and I guess this one got by me.
But, the bid is in.
Thank you for the info.
"dirty deeds done dirt cheap"
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  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Wednesday, January 5, 2005 2:57 PM
Don't you love when a plan comes together!

 

 

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Posted by BRASSWIPES on Thursday, January 6, 2005 10:35 AM
yep!Big Smile [:D]
it's a thing of beauty, for sure.
however, now that everyone else in the forum knows about this kit i'm probably gonna get out bid!Boohoo [BH]
but thanks anyway that e-bay section was new to me and i seen alot of other things that caught my eye and will get me into trouble once i start bringing it through the door.Wink [;)]
i'm worse than a kid in a candy shop!Evil [}:)]
jim
"dirty deeds done dirt cheap"
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  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Thursday, January 6, 2005 11:16 AM
Here is the string I use to search for model in Ebay.

http://toys.listings.ebay.com/Models-Kits_Boats-Ships_W0QQfromZR4QQsacategoryZ4248QQsocmdZListingItemList

This will show all model newly listed, (through the model section)

Jake

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:03 AM
I have a set of fittings for the Stirling kit of the America if any one is interested.

Also on the America. Can anybody give me any idea as to the colour scheme and the name she carried when in service with the CSN, where I assume she was a blochaade runner?
Dai
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Posted by BRASSWIPES on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 6:40 AM
I believe that she was copper sheath below water line and black above.
Some years ago I had the opportunity to see the replica that, at that time, was owned by the Schaefer Breweries and moored by City Island in the Bronx, NY. (da bronx). My roomate owned a boat that he kept close to the island and every time we went out we went by just to check her out.
I wish I had a camera because she was something to gaze at.
Sorry I'm no help other than that!
jim
"dirty deeds done dirt cheap"
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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 7:39 AM
I believe the America served in the Union Navy during the Civil War. As a matter of fact Revell reissued its plastic America kit once (in 1974, according to Mr. Graham's book) under the label "Civil War Blockader." Here's what he says about that release: "Black, brown plastic. Rigging thread. Paper flag sheet. This is a reissue of the H-361 Yacht America (1969) with three swivel cannon added to the ship's railings. Foremast and bowsprit are lengthened from the original issue. A 'Simplified Assembly' kit. This kit was released in the 'Bicentennial Series.'"

This isn't a subject I know much about. I'm not sure just what duties the America performed during the war; she would have made a wretched blockading vessel. I have no idea what her color scheme was at that time. I have a vague recollection of seeing one or two photos of her after the war, when she was in less than good shape.

The museum where I used to work had a couple of fragments of the America - most notably the big skylight from the quarterdeck. As I remember, it's varnished natural wood overall, with no trace of paint. (I could be mistaken about that. It's been a long time.) The fittings on it are brass. When the museum got it the hinges on the glass skylight panels were missing. I had the enviable job of driving around to all the marine hardware dealers in Tidewater Virginia saying "Hi! Got any hinges for an 1851 racing yacht?" I eventually gave up, and got the Powers That Be to cough up several hundred dollars to have a machine shop custom-make a set of hinges. I imagine they're still on the skylight.

As I remember, the America met her end shortly after the Civil War when she was serving as a sail training ship at the Naval Academy in Annapolis. (Don't trust my memory on this very far. There are several good books about her.) I think she was sitting in a shed on shore, in a pretty lousy state of repair, when a snowstorm dumped several feet of snow on the structure's roof, which collapsed on her and virtually wrecked her. What a demise for a great and important ship. Sort of understandable, though; I don't imagine the Naval Academy gets many heavy snowstorms.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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