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Posted by stukabomb88 on Thursday, February 3, 2005 10:43 AM
I normally build tank models, but I'd love to try a ship sometime. I have never built one. I would like to know what's the best scale to build in, and what company is the best for building? This may strike multiple oppinions, which is good, because I want to hear it all!Smile [:)]
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Posted by wroper11 on Thursday, February 3, 2005 11:11 AM
I am finishing up Trumpeters O'brien and it hasn't been a bad build. I like 1/350 scale because it is bigger but it depends on you. Dragon make some decent ships and Trumpeter and Tamiya.

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, February 3, 2005 12:06 PM
The answers to these questions, of course, depend largely on personal taste.

I'm assuming, for the moment, that the subject in which you're interested is twentieth-century warships. (Sailiing ship models are a quite different game.) The most popular scale in the model warship world at the moment - at least in terms of kit availability - probably is 1/700. The advantages of that scale are significant. If you count the resin "cottage industry" kits, more 1/700 kits are available than a person could build in a lifetime. Even the ranges of the mainstream, injection-molded kit manufacturers are enormous, with the majority of major navies' ships since 1939 well represented. (Ok, there are significant gaps, but virtually all the really famous ships are there.) And the resin manufacturers offer an incredible variety of ships - more than most of us have heard of. There is, for example, a Russian firm called Combrig that offers most of the steam-powered ships the Russian and Soviet navies ever built. And Combrig prices, due to the currency situation, are very reasonable.

1/700 kits are relatively cheap. You can buy quite a few evenings' worth of model building for $10 to $20 (though some of the larger, more exotic resin kits sell for $50, $100, and more). They can be finished relatively quickly; an out-of-the-box destroyer will take a couple of evenings (though the time starts multiplying fast if you add detail parts - see below). And a relatively small cabinet can hold a pretty large fleet.

The big drawback to 1/700 scale, of course, is that it's mighty small for detailing. Several aftermarket companies, however, offer photo-etched detailing sets that are incredible in their detail. (Example: a radar screen that's less than 1/4" in diameter and consists of eight pieces.) Just a few years ago it was taken for granted that 1/700 models couldn't really be taken seriously in terms of detail. That's changed. The amount of detail some enthusiasts cram into those little ships is hard to believe.

The other popular scale at the moment is 1/350. The ranges of kits from the major manufacturers in that scale isn't nearly as large - though it's growing all the time. There's also a big range of 1/350 resin kits from the cottage industry folks. Here the price of resin comes into play. Resin kits on 1/350 scale tend to be quite expensive - the big ships go up into the hundreds of dollars.

Many of the differences between the scales are self-explanatory. A completed 1/350 battleship or carrier will be a major feature of a room. The number of pieces in the typical 1/350 kit is considerably larger than that in its 1/700 counterpart, so the 1/350 model probably will take longer to build. The job of detailing it will, on the other hand, be considerably easier (though 1/350, by the standards of aircraft and armor modelers, is still pretty daggone small). The range of photo-etched and resin detail parts for 1/350 kits is not, perhaps, quite as broad, but the quality of those photo-etched sheets frequently is downright mind-boggling. The British firm White Ensign models, for instance, sells several sets to detail the Trumpeter 1/350 U.S.S. Hornet. The sets cover parts for the guns, catwalks, hangar deck framework, and (I still have trouble believing this one) the interiors of the aircraft. To build a Hornet that incorporated all those sets would take months - and cost several hundred dollars.

The quality of the warship kits being released nowadays is, generally speaking, quite high. The boom in 1/700 scale warships got started about 25 years ago when four Japanese manufacturers, Tamiya, Hasegawa, Fujimi, and Aoshima, formed a consortium to produce models of WWII Japanese vessels. Initially their kits varied quite a bit in quality; I suspect most enthusiasts would rank them in the order in which I just listed them, with the weakest of the Aoshima kits being REALLY weak. Since then several other firms have gotten on the bandwagon. Skywave kits - especially the most recent ones - are outstanding. Recently Dragon (most of whose 1/700 kits are reboxed Skywave products) has released three excellent kits on its own: the U.S.S. Arizona and the German battleships Bismarck and Tirpitz. Trumpeter has also gotten into the 1/700 game. I haven't bought any Trumpeter kits, but they have a fine reputation.

The list of mainstream, injection-molded kits on 1/350 scale is still pretty short. Tamiya started the modest boom in that scale about 25 years ago with a small series of battleships: the U.S. Iowa class, the Japanese Yamato class, and the British King George V class. Shortly thereafter the same company did a 1/350 Enterprise (the modern one). Those kits still look pretty good, if not quite up to today's standard. More recently, Tamiya introduced a 1/350 destroyer, the U.S.S. Fletcher, that frequently gets recommended to newcomers. It's a nicely detailed kit of an important ship, and the relatively small size means it's reasonably priced and not too time-consuming.

Trumpeter has plunged into that region in a big way recently, with American carriers of the Yorktown, Essex, and Nimitz classes and a Liberty ship. That firm has announced several additional kits that have enthusiasts' mouths watering: H.M.S. Hood and the U.S.S. North Carolina, Lexington, and Saratoga. The Czech company ICM has released a couple of German battleships from World War I (a grievously neglected period, in my opinion), but they seem to be a little hard to find at the moment.

Which scale to pick? Think about your own interests and aptitude. A big collection of 1/700 kits can be built up fairly quickly for a reasonable amount of money - if you aren't interested in going the "extra detail" route with the photo-etched aftermarket parts. Any 1/350 kit will be a big project unto itself. Another suggestion I always offer when people ask me such questions is - consider your physiology. If you don't have excellent close-up vision, working in 1/700 scale will be a frustrating experience. (I'm lucky in that regard. I have trouble recognizing people from across a room without my glasses, but I can build models with no magnification.) And some people are better working with their fingers, while others do better with their wrists and elbows.

All this is personal opinion, of course. I suspect this post will attract quite a few comments. On one thing, though, I suspect all of us can agree: this is a great time to break into ship modeling.

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Posted by stukabomb88 on Thursday, February 3, 2005 12:27 PM
Wow, [:0]
that's a tonne of info, jtilley, Thanks!!Smile [:)]
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Posted by Jeff Herne on Thursday, February 3, 2005 2:12 PM
My advice would be to start with something that's easy to work with and inexpensive, but will still give you a nice model when you're done.

The best kit that fits that description is the Revell S-100 Class Schnellboote. It's inexpensive, doesn't require photoetch, is easy to build, and doesn't have a complex camouflage scheme. It's a 1/72 kit, and the finished model comes in about 14 inches long. At $20 retail in the states, you can't go wrong. A few others that would also fit the bill are the Revell U-boat (36 inches long though), the Tamiya Fletcher in 1/350, and the Tamiya Vosper or PT-115 (JMSDF boat), also in 1/72 scale.

Once you have a couple of those types of kits under your belt, start exploring what era and scale you prefer.

Good luck, and feel free to ask us old-timers questions, that's basically why we're here.

Good Luck!

Jeff Herne
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Posted by stukabomb88 on Thursday, February 3, 2005 3:57 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff_Herne

doesn't require photoetch, is easy to build, and doesn't have a complex camouflage scheme. It's a 1/72 kit, and the finished model comes in about 14 inches long. At $20 retail in the states, you can't go wrong. A few others that would also fit the bill are the Revell U-boat (36 inches long though), the Tamiya Fletcher in 1/350, and the Tamiya Vosper or PT-115 (JMSDF boat), also in 1/72 scale.

Once you have a couple of those types of kits under your belt, start exploring what era and scale you prefer.

Good luck, and feel free to ask us old-timers questions, that's basically why we're here.

Good Luck!

Jeff Herne


I have no problem with photoetch parts, but chamo could be tricky, as I don't own an airbrush.

Thanks!
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Posted by scottrc on Thursday, February 3, 2005 6:10 PM
Don't worry about not having an airbrush. Unless they're getting a complete refit, Ships are painted by handBig Smile [:D]. All I can ask is this. What kind of ships interest you?

As far as painting? Paint them like you do your armor and they'll look fine.

Scott

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Posted by stukabomb88 on Friday, February 4, 2005 10:45 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by scottrc

Don't worry about not having an airbrush. Unless they're getting a complete refit, Ships are painted by handBig Smile [:D]. All I can ask is this. What kind of ships interest you?

As far as painting? Paint them like you do your armor and they'll look fine.

Scott


Thanks! I would like to build a cruiser or something like the Bismark. I know it's a little cliche, cause almost everyone has one, but that thing is cool! One question though, don't many of the larger ships get painted with cans? But then again, if I build any ships, they will be tiny ones, because I like the look of the smaller ones.
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Posted by jtilley on Friday, February 4, 2005 11:26 AM
Different people have different opinions on this point, but in my opinion an airbrush (or spray can) is completely unnecessary for 1/700 ships. (I can't recall having done any on 1/350, but I suspect the same is true there.)

I've seen some articles in which people have gotten excellent results on such models with airbrushes, but yikes! the work they had to do in order to get there. Hours and hours of applying tiny bits of masking tape, peeling it off, touching up the spots where it had pulled up the paint, etc. No thanks.

Modern hobby paints - especially acrylics, like Polyscale - are perfectly capable of giving nice, brushstroke-free results when applied with a good brush. (If you've already got experience brush painting armor models, you know that.) In 1/700 scale the area to be covered by any one color is usually extremely small. The frustrating aspect of brush painting a warship model is acheiving sharp edges and clearly-defined details. For that, a good brush is, in my opinion, the best tool.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 4, 2005 6:51 PM
1/700th scale has the advantage of being quite easy -- provided you don't bother with photoetched parts. It always helps to get a fairly good reference on whatever you're building.

Anything with "Fujimi" or "Hasegawa" or "Tamiya" on the box is very well-to-do, but then, nearly everyone can agree on that. "Dragon" has some fine offerings, though I've only built this:

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=DR7006

If you're gonna build the Bismarck, don't forget this volume:

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=CW4019
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Posted by uproar on Saturday, February 5, 2005 11:31 AM
I'm just getting back into building ship models myself, and am looking forward to trying the Trumpeter 1/350 USS Arizona, with all of the photo-etched bells and whistles (I'm "practicing" on a Revell 1/426 Arizona). As far as paints are concerned, I don't think you can do better than White Ensign Models paints for accuracy--they are also serious authorities on ship color schemes, especially their guys at Snyder & Short, their US distributors, who can answer any questions about anything. Their paints are probably the most accurate. They are not easy to find, however--you would be best off buying directly from the company--www.whiteensignmodels.com--they are based in the U.K., but nevertheless their shipping and service is faster and better than most domestic companies I've dealt with. They also sell great models and photoetch sets.
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